ECT Do those who believe MAD have no problem disregarding what Jesus actually taught ?

heir

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Lol - you no more know that for certain about the parroting brown nose MAD fraud GM, than you'd know that about anyone you have personally known up close their entire life.
We know people by their conversation (Philippians 1:27 KJV, Philippians 3:20 KJV)! GM's conversation is that the gospel of Christ/Paul's gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth/ that salvation is by grace through faith/not of works/the gift of God. You need to step off.
 

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We know people by their conversation (Philippians 3:20 KJV)! GM's conversation is that the gospel of Christ/Paul's gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, that salvation is by grace through faith/not of works/the gift of God. You need to step off.

No.

GM and you, believe in the existence of two gospels, one for the first church and another since Paul.

Your problem is that Paul was saved by the same gospel as were the first of the church--

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Act 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
Act 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
Act 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
Act 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


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Danoh

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We know people by their conversation (Philippians 1:27 KJV, Philippians 3:20 KJV)! GM's conversation is that the gospel of Christ/Paul's gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth/ that salvation is by grace through faith/not of works/the gift of God. You need to step off.

Nope. The word "conversation" in both passages and their context is referring to conduct becoming of one who names the name of Christ.

And not only never giving those one disagrees with, the benefit of the doubt, but ever spitting vile at them, is conduct unbecoming the gospel of Christ.
 

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But not in the other sense, not naturally?

And how can we be planted in the likeness of his death if it is a natural death? That's because there are two deaths, his natural death on the cross, and his death to self. And that's how he died reconcile us to God. He was dead to flesh but alive the spirit and in the image God and we are reconciled to God if we believe, repent and turn to God. And we are saved by his life!
So you think that Jesus "died to himself"? That is way off.

You are confusing Jesus with all other mortal men. Jesus was/is God in the flesh. He does not need to "die to himself".

Dying to self refers to wanting Gods will over your own. Jesus never had that problem.

We don't have to be naturally crucified to take up our cross, And nor did Jesus. He bore his cross to bare witness to the truth and he was dead to the flesh and in the fullness the spirit brought us the ministry of reconciliation which is the gospel.

1 Peter 3
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit
Who ever say that we need "to be naturally crucified"?

You are very near (if not over the line already) blasphemy of our LORD Jesus Christ. You sound to me like a JW or some such.

1Pet 1:10-12 (KJV)
(1:10) Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you: (1:11) Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. (1:12) Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Jesus is God.
 
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heir

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Nope. The word "conversation" in both passages and their context is referring to conduct becoming of one who names the name of Christ.

And not only never giving those one disagrees with, the benefit of the doubt, but ever spitting vile at them, is conduct unbecoming the gospel of Christ.
Nope. The context is words as in approving things that are excellent (Philippians 1:9-10 KJV), bold speech (Philippians 1:14 KJV), preaching Christ (Philippians 1:16 KJV), following Paul (Philippians 3:17 KJV) in conversation as the opposite would be to mind earthly things making one an enemy of the cross (Philippians 3:18 KJV). So, you are wrong about that, just as you are about fruits being "recurrent patterns".

All we can know is their fruit (recurrent patterns).
Fruits are words!
(John 6:63 KJV)

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
 
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