Delmar's political predictions for the next 12 years.

[Christian Liberty]

you'll be saying the same thing about pedophiles in twenty years

Wow... I agree with Res on something. Maybe not regarding PureX specifically, but that "society" likely will say that.

The reason people are saying homosexuality isn't government's business isn't because of a committment to the NAP. If that was the case, they wouldn't be trying to force Christians to participate in their weddings.

They are doing it because their views on sexual morality are liberalizing.

 

[Angel4Truth]

What does that mean. . . I'll burn harder than them? I'll die more than them?

Either way, it sounds like non-Christian straight people are worse than non-Christian gays according to this verse.

Maybe you oughta fight to make straight atheism a crime :idunno:

Read further:

Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. (Matthew 11:20-24)

You have the gospel, know what sin is from the law that you can read and recognize, yet reject the Lord still knowing the truth.

 

[shagster01]

Read further:

Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. (Matthew 11:20-24)

You have the gospel, know what sin is from the law that you can read and recognize, yet reject the Lord still knowing the truth.

Do you believe judgement will be more tolerable for the rapist from Sodom than for me?

 

[Frank Ernest]

I think in the name of peace and safety, this right along with many others will be removed and the government will never give those rights back.

Therein lies the problem. The idea that rights are granted or revoked by government is alien to our founding principles. However, as more people are taught to believe that government is superior to or a replacement for God, the more likely that a majority will sink to that level of despair.

 

[TracerBullet]

I do understand why you accuse me. It is the exact reason my 4th prediction will come true.

so basically you are afraid you will be marginalized and persecuted because of who you are.

 

[PureX]

Wow... I agree with Res on something. Maybe not regarding PureX specifically, but that "society" likely will say that.

The reason people are saying homosexuality isn't government's business isn't because of a committment to the NAP. If that was the case, they wouldn't be trying to force Christians to participate in their weddings.

They are doing it because their views on sexual morality are liberalizing.

It actually has nothing to do with sexual morality. Though I know you will never be able to understand that. It has to do with equal rights, equal freedoms, and equal protection under the law. Pedophilia is a crime not because it's sexually immoral, but because children cannot give informed consent. And that will not change. So sexual activity with any child is and will always be an assault on that child. It doesn't matter show people feel about that, morally.

Adults can give informed consent, so consensual sex among adults is not an assault on anyone. And therefor there is no reason for it to be illegal. And it doesn't matter how you feel about that, morally.

Morality has nothing to do with why we make laws in this country. We make our laws based on the principals of equal freedom, equal protection, and equal opportunity for all. Granted, we have not done so unerringly, but we are always working at it. Your moral imperatives are your own business. As everyone else's moral imperatives are theirs. That's called having personal freedom.

 

[6days]

Society speaks out against things they disagree with. Its possible to say murder is immoral without hating the killer. It is also possible to say that God's Word declares sexual immorality a sin, without hating the sinner.

Yes, it is.

You are agreeing that we can tell people what they are doing is wrong...without hating them.

The big difference is that gay people aren't killing anyone. And you aren't God's policemen nor spokesmen. So really, their sexuality isn't any of your business.

It becomes our business when people act in ways, in ways we believe are harmful to our children or society.

 

[PureX]

You are agreeing that we can tell people what they are doing is wrong...without hating them.

Sure. The hate starts when you want to force them to comply with your idea of right and wrong, using the laws. That's not what the laws are for in this country. In fact, they are primarily intended to STOP that from happening.

It becomes our business when people act in ways, in ways we believe are harmful to our children or society.

No one cares what you believe but you. The law has nothing to do with what you or anyone else believes. This is what you can't understand, and why people like you are so toxic to a free society.

The whole point of the law is to protect us from people like you, who think you have the right to control the lives of everyone else just because you can't tell the difference between your own ego and the government of an entire nation.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Adults can give informed consent, so consensual sex among adults is not an assault on anyone.

Adultery is an assault on ones spouse.

 

[PureX]

Adultery is an assault on ones spouse.

No, adultery is a breech of a marriage contract, and a sin if one believes it to be. It's not an assault.

And mislabeling things to spread confusion, dishonesty and hate is a sin just as surely as adultery is.

 

[resodko]

Do you love to death those who wear wool and linen mixed together?

It actually has nothing to do with sexual morality. Though I know you will never be able to understand that. It has to do with equal rights, equal freedoms, and equal protection under the law. Pedophilia is a crime not because it's sexually immoral, but because children cannot give informed consent. And that will not change.

:darwinsm:


you sound exactly like our grandparents would have if you had proposed to them seventy years ago that homosexuality would one day be seen as "normal"


:mockurexcrement

 

[Angel4Truth]

No, adultery is a breech of a marriage contract, and a sin if one believes it to be. It's not an assault.

And mislabeling things to spread confusion, dishonesty and hate is a sin just as surely as adultery is.

Adultery is hate and you clearly do not know or understand all the meanings of the word assault. Assault is abuse. Adultery is abusing ones spouse.

Sin harms, and hate is your trying to tell people sin is ok if they consent to it.

 

[TracerBullet]

You are agreeing that we can tell people what they are doing is wrong...without hating them.




It becomes our business when people act in ways, in ways we believe are harmful to our children or society.

anti-gay discrimination and prejudice are harmful to everyone, children, adults, families, society.

 

[Rusha]

No, adultery is a breech of a marriage contract, and a sin if one believes it to be. It's not an assault.

And mislabeling things to spread confusion, dishonesty and hate is a sin just as surely as adultery is.

Adultery *could be* an assault depending on whether or not it physically harms the spouse who is being cheated on. Any sexually transmitted diseases passed on due to a spouse's negligence should be treated as such. Adultery should also be a determining factor insofar as the financial outcome and custodial issues should the couple divorce.

Plainly put, the sting of adultery should be felt for the remainder of the cheater's lifetime.

 

[resodko]

anti-gay discrimination and prejudice are harmful to everyone, children, adults, families, society.

nice assertion :thumb:

 

[PureX]

Adultery *could be* an assault depending on whether or not it physically harms the spouse who is being cheated on. Any sexually transmitted diseases passed on due to a spouse's negligence should be treated as such. Adultery should also be a determining factor insofar as the financial outcome and custodial issues should the couple divorce.

Plainly put, the sting of adultery should be felt for the remainder of the cheater's lifetime.

How one acquired the STD isn't the issue of the alleged "assault by disease". Any more than how one acquired a knife is an issue in using it to assault another. The adultery is not the assault, the deliberate biological infection of another person is.

As to property distribution in the dissolution of a marriage contract, punitive damages can certainly be awarded, but no, we can't tattoo a scarlet letter on their forehead so they can be punished indefinitely by all the scorned women of the world.

 

[Granite]

Adultery *could be* an assault depending on whether or not it physically harms the spouse who is being cheated on. Any sexually transmitted diseases passed on due to a spouse's negligence should be treated as such. Adultery should also be a determining factor insofar as the financial outcome and custodial issues should the couple divorce.

Plainly put, the sting of adultery should be felt for the remainder of the cheater's lifetime.

Disagree. It's nobody else's business except for the parties involved.

 

[Rusha]

How one acquired the STD isn't the issue of the alleged "assault by disease". Any more than how one acquired a knife is an issue in using it to assault another. The adultery is not the assault, the deliberate biological infection of another person is.

Committing adultery when one KNOWS there is a chance they may end up with a disease and then NOT informing the spouse prior to sleeping with them IS an assault. It is recklessly endangering the well being (and possibly the life) of the spouse.

As to property distribution in the dissolution of a marriage contract, punitive damages can certainly be awarded, but no, we can't tattoo a scarlet letter on their forehead so they can be punished indefinitely by all the scorned women of the world.

Now now ... I didn't imply that only *cheating* men should have that tattoo on their foreheads.

The evil that is known as adultery and assault is not determined by the gender of the person committing it.

 

[Rusha]

Disagree. It's nobody else's business except for the parties involved.

It's reckless endangerment of the non-cheating party. They should be informed that their health and life is being put at risk.

 

[resodko]

Disagree. It's nobody else's business except for the parties involved.

except there's a whole lot more people involved than just the adulterous spouse, their married partner and their adulterous partner