Comments on Bob Enyart's Proposed New US Constitution

drbrumley

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bloviating said:
To bring back the mosaic law? If that is true then that is a false gospel. It is also why so many Jews misunderstood Jesus, He came not as the conquering king but as the suffering servant. That is completely antithetical to a concept of dominion theology.
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Bob does not say bring back the Mosiac Law.
 
Nathon Detroit

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bloviating your username choice was so close to being accurate....

Just change a few letters and you get... oblivious :chz4brnz:
 
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Knight said:
These retards aren't interested in hearing what Bob (or anyone else) actually has to say... what would be the fun in that? :rolleyes:
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Nice.

Did "Bob" write the discussed proposed constitution or not? Is he not responsible for its contents? Are you saying that I should disregard his written word and just listen to his radio show? Does one supersede the other?

These are serious & sincere questions. I suppose you can just call me a retard or ban me as you have others, but that would simply proves the weakness of your position.
 
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Knight said:
Did anyone mention the Pentateuch?
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This is all from the Pentateuch/mosaic law. Do you understand what Mosaic law means?

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America's Criminal Code

You shall not murder. Judges will execute those convicted of murder (Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14; 20:13; Lev. 24:17, 21; Num. 35:16-21, 31; Deut. 19:11-13; 1Ki. 18:22, 39-40; 1 Tim. 1:8-10) including those euthanizing, starving, or aborting (Ex. 21:22-23) human beings from the moment of fertilization to natural death. Judges will flog those guilty of assault and impose restitution for lost income and medical expenses (Ex. 21:18-19), and for permanent injury also require an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, life for life (Lev. 24:19-20). Judges will carry out all corporal and capital punishments swiftly and painfully, within twenty-four hours of conviction; and limit floggings to forty blows (Deut. 25:1-3; Lev. 24:19-20; 19:16-21; 1 Pet. 2:20). Judges will not convict for the use of force in defense of property and the innocent, in escalation to match the perceived threat up to lethal force; nor for purely accidental homicide (Deut. 19:4); will execute those guilty of negligent homicide (Ex. 21:28-30; Deut. 22:8); and flog those who could have avoided otherwise accidental homicide, and anyone committing revenge killing (Num. 35:26-27) of those guilty of capital crimes.

You shall not commit adultery. Judges will execute those convicted of bestiality (Ex. 22:19; Lev. 20:15-16); those convicted of incest including with in-laws (Lev. 11-12, 14-15, 17, 19-21); of homosexual acts (Lev. 18:22, 29; 20:13); of child molestation; of kidnapping or rape (Ex. 21:15-16; Deut. 22:25-27; 24:7); and of adultery with a married woman (Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:22; Ex. 20:14). Judges will flog those convicted of fornication; of public use of vulgar sexual and excretory language; of sexually suggestive dress or behavior; of intoxication; and of possession of pornography. Judges will flog more severely those convicted of transvestism; of public nudity; and of distributing pornography. And judges will flog more severely still those convicted of prostitution; of producing pornography for any use; and of sexual acts in public places.

You shall not steal. Judges will flog and require restitution for convicted thieves, negligent recipients of stolen goods, and those who violate contracts (Deut. 25:1‑3). Judges will impose double restitution for recovered goods, the return of the goods plus one-hundred percent value (Ex. 22:4, 7-9; 20:15); quadruple for destroyed or sold goods; quintuple for intellectual, irreplaceable and sentimental goods (Ex. 22:1); seven times for insignificant goods (Prov. 6:30-31); and twenty percent for voluntarily surrendered goods (Lev. 6:1-7). The judge shall impose corporal punishment and life for life penalties for collateral damage from any crime, including bodily injury resulting from the destruction of property which warrants greater than even restitution. A person or his resources causing unforeseeable or unavoidable property damage including by natural disaster without negligence shall pay no restitution, or with negligence shall pay even restitution. Persons taking shared risk shall pay mutual restitution (Ex. 21:32-36; Lev. 24:18). Avoidable accident without negligence, including the malfunction of a maintained resource requires even restitution but with negligence, including by a neglected resource demands double restitution. Gross negligence requires quadruple restitution and intentional destruction demands quintuple restitution. Excepting those executed, judges will sentence those who cannot pay restitution, to indentured servitude for up to seven years with the victim receiving all service or earnings.

You shall not bear false witness. Judges will punish those convicted of perjury, false confession, credible threat, conspiracy, abbeting, attempt, fully as though they had personally committed the crime (Deut. 19:16-21; 2 Sam. 1:15-16; Ex. 20:16). Judges will flog and impose restitution on those convicted of slander. Judges will flog those in contempt of court, and execute those guilty of treason and violators of court orders which protect victims (Deut. 17:12-13). A man is not innocent until proven guilty. He is guilty the moment he commits a crime, but presumed innocent (Deut. 22:22-27) in court until convicted. Convicting the innocent and acquitting the guilty are equally unjust (Pro. 17:15). A judge at his discretion, suspends the rights of liberty including the use of weapons, for the credibly accused, and mandatorily confines one facing a likely sentence of maiming or capital punishment, until the rendering of a verdict. Reasonable evidence from two or three witnesses, whether from eyewitnesses, physical, or strong circumstantial evidence, shall suffice for conviction; individual rights shall not supersede the judge's God-given right to impose punishment on the guilty. Judges shall not grant nor have special immunity from prosecution; shall not give more lenient punishment to minors; shall not give special recognition to lawyers or experts in the law; may observe and advise other judges during trial [B P]; shall not allow witnesses to swear or give an oath (James 5:12, Mat. 5:34-37; 2 Cor. 1:17); and shall question witnesses directly. Judges shall not accept no-contest pleas or bargains; shall punish criminals for all collateral damage; shall permit witnesses and victims to participate in punishment (Deut. 13:9; 17:7); and shall show no mercy to the guilty (Num. 35:31; Deut. 19:13, 21; Pro. 6:30-31).

America's Criminal Code shall be enforced by the King as authorized in The Constitution of America.
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Nathon Detroit

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bloviating said:
Do you understand what Mosaic law means?
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I do, but apparently you do not.

There is "the Law" and there is God's criminal justice system. And between the two there is some overlap. The Mosaic Law was a covenant between God and His people (Israel) which included things like.... no work on the Sabbath, circumcision on the 8th day etc. Nobody is advocating that the mosaic law be enforced.

Instead, what is being advocated is that God's criminal justice system be enforced i.e., all the things in the Bible that are criminal according to God that are not solely part of any dispensation or covenant (i.e., not just a religious ordinance).

I assume you think murder should be illegal, correct?
 
Nathon Detroit

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NetPyro said:
Nice.

Did "Bob" write the discussed proposed constitution or not? Is he not responsible for its contents? Are you saying that I should disregard his written word and just listen to his radio show? Does one supersede the other?

These are serious & sincere questions. I suppose you can just call me a retard or ban me as you have others, but that would simply proves the weakness of your position.
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:sigh: On Bob's show you could talk with him and ask him questions and then he could answer your questions. Get it?

Since you are interested in Bob that seems like a reasonable approach don't you think?
 
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Knight said:
I do, but apparently you do not.

There is "the Law" and there is God's criminal justice system. And between the two there is some overlap. The Mosaic Law was a covenant between God and His people (Israel) which included things like.... no work on the Sabbath, circumcision on the 8th day etc. Nobody is advocating that the mosaic law be enforced.

Instead, what is being advocated is that God's criminal justice system be enforced i.e., all the things in the Bible that are criminal according to God that are not solely part of any dispensation or covenant (i.e., not just a religious ordinance).

I assume you think murder should be illegal, correct?
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You can't separate one from the other. It is the law, covenant comes into it that is why we are new covenant people. Of course murder is wrong, the NT is quite clear on that. CS Lewis states that the thing that separates Christianity from all other religions is grace. I'm seeing a lot of belittling and little grace. BTW I am a senior Pastor and former missionary to Africa and have taught Bible and theology at the tertiary level. I am certainly not an expert in everything and am a very fallible human being but I also know that I serve a savior that loves everyone including the sinner. Your wanting to install a Christianized shariah lacks the grace CS Lewis so eloquently spoke about.

Love is a character trait seldom seen. Even in the Christian realm.

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Knight said:
:sigh: On Bob's show you could talk with him and ask him questions and then he could answer your questions. Get it?

Since you are interested in Bob that seems like a reasonable approach don't you think?
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I'm unable to listen to AM radio during the day, but I will make an effort to catch his show. I've seen others mention that you are a follower of his, is this correct? Perhaps you could provide your interpretation, based on your own beliefs, of Bob's position?
 
Nathon Detroit

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bloviating said:
You can't separate one from the other.
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Huh?

Ok, at first I only suspected you were an idiot and now I know for sure.

Of course murder is wrong.
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And it would be silly of me to accuse you of wanting to uphold the mosaic law simply because you rightly recognize murder is still wrong even though the mosaic law was nailed to the cross.

Get the point?

CS Lewis states that the thing that separates Christianity from all other religions is grace. I'm seeing a lot of belittling and little grace.
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Maybe you don't understand grace?

After all.... you agree murder is wrong, why aren't murderers "graced out"? :think:

BTW I am a senior Pastor and former missionary to Africa and have taught Bible and theology at the tertiary level.
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That is incredibly tragic.

Think of all the people you have mislead.

Love is a character trait seldom seen. Even in the Christian realm.
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Demonstrate your love to God by not saying stupid things. God doesn't want you running around confusing "the Law" with the law (criminal law).

Throw out everything you think you know and start over.
 
Nathon Detroit

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NetPyro said:
I'm unable to listen to AM radio during the day, but I will make an effort to catch his show. I've seen others mention that you are a follower of his, is this correct? Perhaps you could provide your interpretation, based on your own beliefs, of Bob's position?
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So, you have never seen or heard Bob yet you come out in public and attempt to mock him. That seems a bit odd.

I predict that you will find out that you were WAY off base. I also predict you will never admit that fact.
 
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