Ben Masada
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Well, I find absolutely nothing to relate this message of Mat. 72 with real or cheap salvation.
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Well, I find absolutely nothing to relate this message of Mat. 72 with real or cheap salvation.
Meshak believes you get to Heaven by:
1) Doing good works and deeds.
2) Not admitting to being saved.
3) You must earn your right into Heaven.
4) You must be 100% obedient to ALL the laws and commands of Jesus.
5) You can only trust in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and sometimes John. You must reject the rest of the Bible like Meshak does.
6) You cannot ever assume that Heaven awaits you. Because, it's not humble.
1) Doing good works and deeds.
2) Not admitting to being saved.
3) You must earn your right into Heaven.
4) You must be 100% obedient to ALL the laws and commands of Jesus.
5) You can only trust in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and sometimes John. You must reject the rest of the Bible like Meshak does.
6) You cannot ever assume that Heaven awaits you. Because, it's not humble.
Does anybody here agree to all of these terms?
Ben Masada
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Right Delmar, but only if you are referring to the universal salvation that; you know, the one that Jesus mentioned coming from the Jews. (John 4:22) There is no doubt about the personal salvation Jesus mentioned to be achieved by listening to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31)
At least you're honest when you've said in some of your past
posts: "I don't know if I'm saved? That's up to Jesus. At least
you don't believe that one is saved through faith. You believe
that you'll have a chance at Heaven if you do enough good
works and deeds. You also believe you might
go to Heaven if you're obedient enough. Which means, you
may not make it? You'll wait and see. Hopefully, you'll do
enough good, so that it outweighs all the bad things you do.
Which are many.
Ben Masada
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I do. First of all, we must try to understand who are the elected ones. IMHO, Jesus himself implied that they are of those who listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) If you still can't get to the point of what Jesus meant, ask me further and we can talk more about it.
Well, you're Jewish so we'll probably not have a meeting of the minds?
However, I totally respect the Jewish people and don't argue with them,
out of that respect.
Ben Masada
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So, you believe that salvation is according to the gospel of Paul, a Hellenist who lived in the First Century. I must disagree with you because I learned the way I believe from the gospel of Jesus which he himself said, comes from listening to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) Now, do you still believe that the gospel of Paul was right and that the gospel of Jesus was wrong? How would you evidence your opinion?
Ben Masada
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How could God judge a man by Jesus according to the gospel of Paul if Jesus himself followed a different gospel from that of Paul?
Ben Masada
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I am not a Calvinist. Would you like to try me?
Read the context of the following verse. The words of the first verse here are the words of Peter.
Acts 10:42 NASB - 42 "And He ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead.
Acts 17:31 NASB - 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead."
The ascended Christ met Paul on the road to Damascus. Subsequently,
Paul was given the "Grace Gospel" and was sent to the Gentiles with
this Gospel. Whereas, Peter and the rest continued preaching the Kingdom
Gospel to the House of Israel. (The Jews) There were two messages being
preached at that time. Today, in this "Dispensation of Grace" the Grace Gospel
is for both the Jew and the Gentile.
God's Grace through our faith in Christ as our Savior. (Paul's Gospel)
In the four Gospels, Matthew through John, Christ was preaching only to
the Lost Sheep of Israel. Not to the Gentiles nor the latter, Body of Christ.
the Lost Sheep of Israel. Not to the Gentiles nor the latter, Body of Christ.
Ben Masada
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That kind of salvation from life is indeed not cheap but, hey! We all have no choice as we all must go through it as it is natural. Part of life, you know! There are three parts: First, we are born, second, we spent a time to live and naturally, we all must die.
Birth, death, eternity.
Even though we are chosen before the world began, and even though salvation for us is an assured thing, beginning and ending with God. Nevertheless we still get saved at a point in time.
We didn't, but God knew
"toward you"
How do you now know you are saved...the answer is the same...God says so
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You have to discover why YOU desired to be saved and others do not desire to be saved