Much of the creeds are based upon law. What you should do to remain a Christian. The law says, Do something.
All that we need to do is have faith in Christ, plus NOTHING.
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Much of the creeds are based upon law. What you should do to remain a Christian. The law says, Do something.
All that we need to do is have faith in Christ, plus NOTHING.
Cedarbay
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Is there anything that you find objectionable in this statement?
"That I with body and soul, both in life and death, am not my own, but belong unto my faithful Saviour Jesus Christ;
who, with his precious blood, has fully satisfied for all my sins, and delivered me from all the power of the devil;
and so preserves me that without the will of my heavenly Father, not a hair can fall from my head;
yea, that all things must be subservient to my salvation, and therefore, by his Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life, and makes me sincerely willing and ready, henceforth, to live unto him."
nikolai_42
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So is faith a work? If not, what determines if we have faith?
Cedarbay
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I believe that our salvation in Christ is based upon His work alone.
The holy life of a Christian is lived out through the continued grace of God and His intercession on our behalf.
No, but try this.
Jesus, in my name and on my behalf, has made me acceptable to God.
It is only by the doing and the dying of Jesus that I have been justified, sanctified and redeemed. I now stand complete "In Christ".
When God accepted Jesus into heaven, I was accepted in him.
Faith is a natural human attribute that we are all born with.
nikolai_42
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So God-given?
The reason that God leaves us on this earth is to be a witness for Christ and his Gospel.
Many of the early martyers went to their deaths singing songs about Jesus. A very strong witness.
All are given faith, so that all can believe.
Cedarbay
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It seems you are saying that all the action for salvation is coming from God, true?
Cedarbay
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This is stunning. I am speechless. Please consider reading one of the historic Creeds of the Christian Church to understand the Omniscience of the Godhead.
The Psalms alone bring us to our knees, in His all-knowing Presence.
Right, All we do is believe. What happens after that is the work of the Holy Spirit.
Cedarbay
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I'm happy to read that you agree with the statement.
It is from the Heidelberg Cathechism, Lord's Day One, Question One.
"That I with body and soul, both in life and death, am not my own, but belong unto my faithful Saviour Jesus Christ;
who, with his precious blood, has fully satisfied for all my sins, and delivered me from all the power of the devil;
and so preserves me that without the will of my heavenly Father, not a hair can fall from my head;
yea, that all things must be subservient to my salvation, and therefore, by his Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life, and makes me sincerely willing and ready, henceforth, to live unto him."
This is the faith the Reformed teach their children.
God can limit himself.
God does not see what is going on, on the earth.
God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20.
Nothing will be revealed until Christ returns and then everything will be revealed.
nikolai_42
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All are given ears so that all can hear. Do all hear? That is, do all really hear (not just physically)?
Cedarbay
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The faith to believe, is a work of God's grace.
No, faith to believe is the results of hearing and believing the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.
The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ and be saved, Hebrews 3:15 also Revelation 3:20.
Cedarbay
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Trying to be respectful here, but these statements are one of the reasons why a systematic theology is so important. Reformed find that in many resources, including but not limited to it's Creeds and Confessions.
