are you a feminist?

[Rusha]

True. And men who are giving women what they say they want, sex without consequences or responsibility.

Uh huh. Those poor little fellas are just forced into it, huh?

 

[brewmama]

:think: Good men and women protect one another. Someone of either gender who is physically, verbally or sexually abusive towards their spouse are of no value to anyone. That would also include someone who chronically and repeatedly commits adultery.

This type of abuse not only sets a wretched example for any children in the household, BUT it also puts the children in danger.

So to answer your question, YES women are 100% better off without a man IF that *man* is a threat to herself and her children.

This applies to either sex obviously, so your point is moot. And being under the protection of men in society, not just a spouse, always afforded women more protection.

 

[Crucible]

http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/

It's not hard to be against feminism. It is almost entirely a 'myth machine'.

-There is no 'patriarchy'. Women are more privileged than men. They win out in divorce, enjoy quotas, and have gender specific healthcare.

-They aren't in many high offices because they are women, but because the 60% of the voting body, which are women- vote for men. Female candidates usually have a majority support of men.

-The pay gap, as the source above in part shows, is a myth.

-Homeless:
woman 12000
men 240,000

College enrollment:
woman 11,658,000
men 8,770,000

Life expectancy
woman 80.8 years
men 75.7 years


Only ill informed people are feminists. Or misandrists. Or men with Stockholm's syndrome- like this guy:

^ (his opinion matters less because he's a man)

 

[brewmama]

Uh huh. Those poor little fellas are just forced into it, huh?

If they are giving women what they claim they want, what's your beef? Women demanded to be as promiscuous and unencumbered by sex as men, now they want to complain when they get the just desserts of that?

 

[brewmama]

Why shouldn't women be independent?

Tell you what, why don't you give an example of what you believe is ample reason for a wife to divorce her husband and for a husband to divorce his wife.

The only one given by Jesus is adultery. The very worse possible scenario is what we have now - no fault divorce.

 

[Rusha]

If they are giving women what they claim they want, what's your beef? Women demanded to be as promiscuous and unencumbered by sex as men,

Oh, you admit that men are promiscuous and unencumbered by sex? Why do you see that as acceptable?

BTW, I have *no* beef. I, am on the winning end of every misogynistic man's dilemma.

 

[brewmama]

Oh, you admit that men are promiscuous and unencumbered by sex? Why do you see that as acceptable?

BTW, I have *no* beef. I, am on the winning end of every misogynistic man's dilemma.

I never said I saw that as acceptable. But it's what feminists wanted and demanded. And "the beef" is from folks on this thread who blame the absent fathers when it was women who started it.

 

[Yorzhik]

It isn't an anecdote to report on the laws that existed in the past.

Read it again, these were not nationwide laws. Not a single one. And many were anecdotes outright.

Systemically, women were loved and protected more during those days than they are now

That "love" included legalized violence and rape

Laws that legalized, by men against women, violence and rape... You'll have to supply some evidence to support that claim.

... and laws that made it much more difficult for them to live on their own. Maybe there are some women out there who want to be respected before they care about being "loved" and "protected".

First, love and respect are very similar and in practice only differ in a matter of authority. Thus, women would prefer to be loved.

Second, there were no nationwide laws making life harder for women on their own, and no woman was barred from living where ever she wanted to live.

Third, even where there were pockets of odd laws that wrongly targeted women, such as those listed by anecdote, they were only there because people with a mindset like yours enacted them. Unlike you, people like me and all other right-wing folks believe in liberty and equality under the law.

So, fight for a more equal child custody system.

You realize the custody system is wrong then? So you'll fight right along side me and denounce everyone else on the left wing that fought for and fights for those very laws on that issue?

But even further than that, do you realize why they fight for those laws? If you did, and you don't like it, then you'd have to denounce being left-wing.

Um...what?

In broad terms, a marriage is merely a "joining together" and through child support and alimony the man is required to stay in the marriage contract financially.

Again, not anecdotes.

Which of those laws were nationwide?

That's got to ring a little hollow, even for you. Women need men more than men need women? In what way?

Women cannot be happy without men taking care of them, but men can be happy entirely without women.

We literally allowed men to enforce their ownership of women with violence and rape

How do you back up that claim?

..., and the law helped hold women back by depriving them of the vote

Being deprived of the vote does not mean being deprived of liberty. You'll have to back up the claim that women were not free before they had the vote. In fact, you'll find that laws have made things worse for women now than then.

... and of access to the basic means of surviving independently in our economy.

This cannot be true since there has always been a fair percentage of single women living in the US.

Now if a man wants a woman to spend time with him, he must convince her it's worth her time (the horror) rather than relying on coercion.

Coercion and injustice has been the only outcome of the feminist friendly laws - just look at the family court laws you (perhaps) denounce above. There was never a time when coercion was the norm for establishing relationships between men and women and if you think so you'll have to establish it with more than the anecdotes you've brought to the table so far.

If you want to see the horror of relationships, then go no further than the hookup culture that feminist friendly culture has promoted.

I think the real problem is that there are some men out there who realize that if they're forced to try to relate to women on an equal basis, they're going to fail.

You'd think wrong. Men and women are not the same, and women prefer their men be stronger and smarter than they are.

 

[Rusha]

I never said I saw that as acceptable.

Okay, so you are record as stating that men do not have a license to commit adultery or abuse with the expectation of their wife staying with them, correct?

But it's what feminists wanted and demanded. And "the beef" is from folks on this thread who blame the absent fathers when it was women who started it.

Oh, you believe that someone has to be a feminist to demand common courtesy and consideration in marriage? That explains a lot ...

 

[ok doser]

why are you guys wasting your time with rusha?

all she's gonna keep doing is misrepresenting what you're saying, twisting it into something she can pretend you said so she can attack it

she's a bitter hateful wretch and all you're doing is feeding her

 

[Yorzhik]

But...they are still allowed to make babies?

No. Men cannot make babies. It's like a superpower for women... or really not 'like' a superpower, but actually an honest-to-goodness superpower.

But it does bring up a good point. Since the advent of abortion, women could be dumped in good conscience by a man that knocked her up. And that is endorsed by feminists who have shouted strongly how only the mother, and not the father in any way, has a say in whether a baby that hasn't been born yet can be "legally" murdered or not.

 

[bybee]

No. Men cannot make babies. It's like a superpower for women... or really not 'like' a superpower, but actually an honest-to-goodness superpower.

But it does bring up a good point. Since the advent of abortion, women could be dumped in good conscience by a man that knocked her up. And that is endorsed by feminists who have shouted strongly how only the mother, and not the father in any way, has a say in whether a baby that hasn't been born yet can be "legally" murdered or not.

Um... a man is necessary to make a baby. And a man chooses who and when he decides to make a baby. A man is wise to be very careful in his choosing.

 

[ok doser]

No. Men cannot make babies. It's like a superpower for women... or really not 'like' a superpower, but actually an honest-to-goodness superpower.

But it does bring up a good point. Since the advent of abortion, women could be dumped in good conscience by a man that knocked her up. And that is endorsed by feminists who have shouted strongly how only the mother, and not the father in any way, has a say in whether a baby that hasn't been born yet can be "legally" murdered or not.

a perversion of motherhood

a perversion of fatherhood

and now, with porn available to anybody old enough to swipe a finger, the perversion of childhood

 

[Rusha]

Um... a man is necessary to make a baby. And a man chooses who and when he decides to make a baby. A man is wise to be very careful in his choosing.

In other words, they (men) do have the option of just saying "no".

Who'd of thunk it?

 

[Crucible]

True. And men who are giving women what they say they want, sex without consequences or responsibility.

The largest victory of feminism wasn't voting and things of that nature, but birth control and abortion. It was seen as the magical pill of liberation, and what really had women going.

That's what women really wanted. They wanted this 'autonomy'. And they wanted jobs not because they needed them, but so they could divorce their husbands and be independent.

Feminism is largely mythologized by today's culture. It wasn't until men had industrialized the world that women all of a sudden sought that fruit, which means that all the movement is, is women moving away from men unto that which men built.

I think that a lot of people should look into the real history here, with a broader perspective and without a lean toward women. Because then you can figure out quite easily what's driving men up the wall even if many of them don't fully realize why.

 

[ClimateSanity]

If I have a son and all the abusive laws imposed on men and especially divorced men are still intact, I will fully educate him on the horrors awaiting him in a feminist ruled society. Don't just marry any woman. Please take your time son because your future wife can totally ruin you with the power the law has given her.

 

[lifeisgood]

No. Men cannot make babies. .

Well, last time I checked without a man a woman cannot produce a baby. Sorry you forgot bout that. :chuckle:

 

[lifeisgood]

In other words, they (men) do have the option of just saying "no".

Who'd of thunk it?

Amazing isn't it! :devil:

 

[annabenedetti]

If that were so, what kind of men are they?

The kind who are looking for mail order brides?

 

[brewmama]

why are you guys wasting your time with rusha?

all she's gonna keep doing is misrepresenting what you're saying, twisting it into something she can pretend you said so she can attack it

she's a bitter hateful wretch and all you're doing is feeding her

Wow you're right. That's exactly what she did...