No He did not. This is part of His delight as a Creator that is not locked in a fatalistically fixed eternal now. God has a future, just like us (hence the fun as we cooperate with Him to make a difference in history, His Story).
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No He did not. This is part of His delight as a Creator that is not locked in a fatalistically fixed eternal now. God has a future, just like us (hence the fun as we cooperate with Him to make a difference in history, His Story).
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And, you can see the details foretold in Revelation.
Time as sequence/duration/succession has been an aspect of God's divine temporality from eternity.
The unique MEASURE of time (sun, moon, stars) had a beginning at creation, but time itself did not have a beginning as a concept (it is not space nor is it a created thing).
SaulToPaul 2
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We should be able to trace the succession of events all the way back
to when God was created then?
His potential plan of redemption became a certain plan after the Fall (Gen. 3). It was not actualized until the first century.
Since the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ are under God's sovereign control apart from human contingencies, God did know the redemptive work. He knew it as possible in eternity past, certain in Gen. 3, and actual in about 29 A.D.
God predestined that if the plan became necessary, He would implement it. If there was no fall (unlikely), then the plan would remain potential (God knows reality as it is).
Mormons and Calvinists are wrong to thing that the Fall was necessary or desirable for a higher good.
SaulToPaul 2
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How does this jive with Acts 15:18 KJV. The work of the Cross was one of God's works. Did he know it from the beginning of the world? Or have it on the back burner just in case?
themuzicman
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The obvious question there is how much Revelation is actual detail and how much is highly symbolic apocalyptic language. (Hint: Rev 1:1 identifies it as apocalyptic.)
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Revelation does not detail who will win the Stanley Cup or Superbowl every year or that I could type thisjg-rogheoigeoirhgoeghjoeirhjoeirgjoeijio.
EDF is an overstatement/over-extrapolation.
SaulToPaul 2
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Can you explain jettison? Please speak simply.
Huh? God is UNCREATED triune Creator. He has no beginning and no end. Endless time is more coherent than timelessness or eternal now simultaneity (whatever that is in light of Him being personal and interactive with our temporal world).
In His triune relations from all eternity, God loved, fellowshipped, communicated, thought, felt, acted. This all presumes duration/sequence/succession (an orchestra playing a symphony in one moment instead of over minutes is cacophony, not music).
SaulToPaul 2
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God provided everything you need to know in Revelation.
Hopefully, God will ban hockey in the new heaven and new earth.
themuzicman
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SaulToPaul 2
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So, there's an endless succession of events that goes on forever in eternity past?
The Fall was near the beginning of creation. It was not trillions of years ago (He knew it as certain when He implemented the potential plan AFTER the FALL. You are relying on SFK and assuming He knew it before the Fall).
We agree He had a foreknown plan. We disagree as to when it became necessary and certain.
SaulToPaul 2
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Thank you. I thought it was a mis-spelled reference to the Jetsons.
SaulToPaul 2
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How do you know how long it was?
Can you google? Something like throw it out violently...Star Trek's ship jettisoned the dead body out the pod bay doors into space.
Too many fights and goons like Chris Pronger?
themuzicman
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My guess it that sports will be about the athletic grace and beauty of competition, without the emotional downside and physical injury.
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