godrulz is back...still trying to prop up the dogma
godrulz is back...still trying to prop up the dogma
godrulz said:
John was written to believers to reveal the Son of God (this title was understood as equality with God by Jews...it is a direct claim to Deity). John 1:1 properly exegeted supports the Deity of Christ and the triune nature of God.
John 20:28 Thomas knew who Jesus was. He used the same grammar as in Psalms (LXX) about YHWH (the Lord of me; the God of me). Jesus, the great Rabbi, should have rebuked Thomas if He was not the God of the Jews. Instead, He commended him and received his declaration as worship (men and angels are not worshipped according to the OT and Revelation).
"Son of God" = "God"? So, in your book, how many gods are there? Or how many persons in the multiple personality deity?:
Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Ge 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Ro 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1Jo 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
John 1:1 does not mention or speak of Jesus. It speaks of the word of the god that was present "in the beginning" that accompanied the god in the making of the sky and the land:
Ge 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Ge 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Ge 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
It was through this god-utterance that everything was made, including the life of Jesus:
My own translation:
Joh 1:4 By the instrument of it [the god-utterance] was a life; and the life was the light of men.
In your understanding, godrulz, who is the "light of men" referred to in John 1:4? Was it not Jesus? The life that was generated by the god-utterance? And the one in whom the god-utterance dwelled?
Jesus was not the word of the god or else he could speak of himself. Rather the father was speaking his word by the life of Jesus:
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? ***the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself**: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Simply put, Jesus was the son of the god, the anointed of the god, the servant of the god. He worshipped the god, prayed to the god and trusted in the god. In his prayer he called the father "the one true god." He rebuked those who even called him good - for that was the designation reserved only for the god.
Jesus did not receive worship. Thomas was not addressing Jesus when he spontaneously exclaimed "My lord and my god" but found himself vocal with worship of the father because of the resurection of Jesus.
Jesus had just told Thomas who his and his own god was:
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and ***to my God, and your God***.
Jesus refuses worship in Revelation 22:
6 ¶ And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.