glorydaz
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Shut up, Meshak.
"|all you have to do is believe in Jesus".. Huh?
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Shut up, Meshak.
popsthebuilder
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PneumaPsucheSoma
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Finally, the voice of reason.
Paul and James are whispering to each other in total agreement.
turbosixx
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I'm not confused until I try to apply what Heir said. Did Cornelius earn acceptance? Is acceptance salvation?
turbosixx
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If sins could be forgiven under the law then why did Jesus have to die?
Gal. 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."
The 10 commandments are part of the law of Moses.
Rom. 7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
Yes. Men must first be born again (Jn 1:13, 1 Pe 1:23). Come (Mt 11:29), believe (Jn 14:1), abide (Jn 15:4), follow him (Mt 28:20). He has the words of eternal life (Jn 6:68).
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turbosixx
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From the context, what works is the audience Paul is talking to trusting in?
:noway: "The fruit always matches the tree." ~ Daryl Ferguson Lk 6:15-20
As a reminder meshak is number 17 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:
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popsthebuilder
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Human effort to the point of action is good work under the guidance of the Lord.
Jerry Shugart
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All those who believe in the Lord Jesus have eternal life:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (Jn.3:16).
And here is what the Lord Jesus said about those to whom He gives eternal life:
"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (Jn.3:16).
This is what Meshak believes:
1) Paul is an anti-Christ!
2) Matthew, Mark, and Luke are the only books she believes in!
3) She despises those who believe in the Trinity!
4) She doesn't know if she's saved!
5) Hates the U.S. military
6) Believes she has a shot at Heaven by obeying God's laws!
7) She rejects the Grace Message! (Paul's Gospel)
8) Has said that the Jehovah Witnesses are a holy people!
9) Hates what she calls, "Main streamers!" (Church goers)
10)Lives within the law and not under Grace!
Do you really want to listen to her rantings?
Meshak offers NOTHING to TOL, except false beliefs and disruption. Her only
redeeming quality is, the entertainment value.
redeeming quality is, the entertainment value.
glorydaz
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You said there was no "provision". There was provision...the sacrificial system.
Hebrews 10KJV For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Romans 3:1KJV That sacrificial system was God's forbearance until Christ shed His blood on the cross.
Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Nice quote but it doesn't prove what you think. If the ten commandments are part of the law of Moses, why were the tablets of stone kept inside the ark and Moses' law on the outside?
Deut. 31:9KJV Deut 4:36KJV Deut 5:22KJV Exodus 31:18
If you want to be under some, perhaps you would explain what the "Law of Christ" means to you.
turbosixx
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It's hard for me to make the point without posting a lot of passages but if you look at the context of Romans, Paul is explaining to those who want to be under the Law of Moses that justification is not found by keeping the law but through Christ..
Rom. 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
What law is he talking about? The law of Moses that separates Jew and Gentile.
Rom. 2:17 But if you bear the name "Jew" and rely upon the Law and boast in God
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Rom. 4:16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
When Paul says apart from works OF THE LAW he is not talking works in general or works of righteousness but works of the law of Moses.
I'm trying to understand where your coming from. In your understanding, can one be saved without works? Not works of the Mosaical law but works of the law of Christ.
glorydaz
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No, he is talking about God's law and any works of righteousness which we have done. Because even Gentiles have that "work of the law" written in their conscience.
Romans 2:14-15KJV
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )
NOT OF YOURSELVES.....not of works....lest ANY MAN boast. This is why we have to guard against someone suggesting it's a matter of circumcision or various washings or rules (like God's UNtruth does). Paul is talking about righteousness not coming from any law through any works.
Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
glorydaz
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We are saved solely by the Christ's work on the cross and His obedience unto death.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
glorydaz
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:mock: Meshak
And that one, isn't anybody on TOL or this earth.