Active shooter near San Bernardino, CA

drbrumley

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I will let Butler Schaffer answer this....

If you haven’t figured it out already, at the center of the “gun control” campaigns is the ongoing struggle between individualism and collectivism. The statists will never give up their arsenals of deadly weaponry, for the state is defined as a system enjoying a legal monopoly on the use of violence within a given area. Nor will they seriously entertain the proposition that ordinary people are entitled to own weapons as a means of protecting themselves from state violence. The state is the collective – whose interests are an end in itself; its own reason for being. The rest of us are little more than fungible resources to be transformed and consumed for the benefit of whatever ends are desired by those who presume to own us.
 
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brewmama said:
Your sources really suck. You're always a step behind.

"A man who reportedly worked near the home of one of the San Bernardino mass shooting suspects said he grew suspicious when he noticed half a dozen Middle Eastern men hanging around the area.The unidentified man told KCBS-TV he witnessed the men leaving the same area where police conducted a raid on the home linked to the shooting suspects on Wednesday.However, the man reportedly declined to report what he felt was suspicious behavior because he didn’t want to be accused of racial profiling."

http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/12/c...rs-suspicious-behavior-for-outrageous-reason/
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Ok. So, I return to my original question. What could he have reported to police? That there were some Middle-Eastern men hanging around?
 
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drbrumley said:
I will let Butler Schaffer answer this....

If you haven’t figured it out already, at the center of the “gun control” campaigns is the ongoing struggle between individualism and collectivism. The statists will never give up their arsenals of deadly weaponry, for the state is defined as a system enjoying a legal monopoly on the use of violence within a given area. Nor will they seriously entertain the proposition that ordinary people are entitled to own weapons as a means of protecting themselves from state violence. The state is the collective – whose interests are an end in itself; its own reason for being. The rest of us are little more than fungible resources to be transformed and consumed for the benefit of whatever ends are desired by those who presume to own us.
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rexlunae

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rocketman said:
Stand up, take a bow, this is where your flawed worldview leads. I am not bashing, simply presenting you the inconvenient truth of what progressive liberalism has produced.
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So, you think it would be better if we what? Profiled all Muslims (if you can identify them)? All "Middle Easterners" (the attackers weren't Middle-Eastern, btw)?

rocketman said:
What kind of terrorists Rex? Who is our enemy? :think:
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You tell me. What type? What type of profiling do you think you could have done that would have averted this?

rocketman said:
Haven't forgot it at all...a unstable loon yes, a terrorist, nope. He will not even be charged as a terrorist Rex...try to stay with this discussion there is a thread for that one as well.
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What's the difference? He attacked innocent bystanders, for seemingly political reasons. How is it not terrorism?
 
drbrumley

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If you haven’t figured it out already, at the center of the “gun control” campaigns is the ongoing struggle between individualism and collectivism. The statists will never give up their arsenals of deadly weaponry, for the state is defined as a system enjoying a legal monopoly on the use of violence within a given area. Nor will they seriously entertain the proposition that ordinary people are entitled to own weapons as a means of protecting themselves from state violence. The state is the collective – whose interests are an end in itself; its own reason for being. The rest of us are little more than fungible resources to be transformed and consumed for the benefit of whatever ends are desired by those who presume to own us.

Think long and hard about it, seems you can use the extra time.
 
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patrick jane said:
Yes if it was new and recent; out of the ordinary. Unless it was Thanksgiving times
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The problem is, it's easy with the advantage of hindsight to look back and say "if only...". We don't know if it would have changed anything, and in general, you can't go around reporting every group of brown people you see to the authorities, especially in Southern California. Now, if he'd seen some actually suspicious activity, which he gives no indication of, that may have been different, but it just isn't clear that's the case. And no one would say he shouldn't report suspicious activity.
 
drbrumley

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More guns, more gun violence.

Less guns, less gun violence.

See how that works?
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It seems you base your ideology solely upon your emotions, so let me help you with that.

Borrowed from here:

#1 Over the past 20 years, gun sales have absolutely exploded, but homicides with firearms are down 39 percent during that time and “other crimes with firearms” are down 69 percent.

#2 A study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policydiscovered that nations that have more guns tend to have less crime.

#3 The nine European nations with the lowest rate of gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate that is three times greater than the nine European nation with the highest rate of gun ownership.

#4 Almost every mass shooting that has occurred in the United States since 1950 has taken place in a state with strict gun control laws…

With just one exception, every public mass shooting in the USA since at least 1950 has taken place where citizens are banned from carrying guns. Despite strict gun regulations, Europe has had three of the worst six school shootings.

#5 The United States is #1 in the world in gun ownership, and yet it is only 28th in the world in gun murders per 100,000 people.

#6 The violent crime rate in the United States actually fell from 757.7 per 100,000 in 1992 to 386.3 per 100,000 in 2011. During that same time period, the murder rate fell from 9.3 per 100,000 to 4.7 per 100,000.

#7 Approximately 200,000 women in the United States use guns to protect themselves against sexual crime every single year.

#8 Overall, guns in the United States are used 80 times more often to prevent crime than they are to take lives.

#9 The number of unintentional fatalities due to firearms declined by 58 percent between 1991 and 2011.

#10 Despite the very strict ban on guns in the UK, the overall rate of violent crime in the UK is about 4 times higher than it is in the United States. In one recent year, there were 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK. In the United States, there were only 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people during that same year. Do we really want to be more like the UK?

#11 The UK has approximately 125 percent more rape victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.

#12 The UK has approximately 133 percent more assault victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.

#13 The UK has the fourth highest burglary rate in the EU.

#14 The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.

#15 Down in Australia, gun murders increased by about 19 percent and armed robberies increased by about 69 percent after a gun ban was instituted.

#16 The city of Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the United States. So has this reduced crime? Of course not. As I wrote about recently, the murder rate in Chicago was about 17 percent higher in 2012 than it was in 2011, and Chicago is now considered to be “the deadliest global city“. If you can believe it, there were about as many murders in Chicago during 2012 as there was in the entire nation of Japan.

#17 After the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law requiring every home to have a gun, the crime rate dropped by more than 50 percent over the course of the next 23 years and there was an 89% decline in burglaries.

#18 According to Gun Owners of America, the governments of the world slaughtered more than 170 million of their own people during the 20th century. The vast majority of those people had been disarmed by their own governments prior to being slaughtered.

Oh and sir, may I remind you, CRIMINALS DON"T OBEY GUN LAWS!!!!

Have a great evening.
 
glorydaz

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rexlunae said:
Ok. So, I return to my original question. What could he have reported to police? That there were some Middle-Eastern men hanging around?
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What he saw....middle eastern men working late in the garage and lots of packages being delivered. Since it was California, they may have pooh-poohed it, thinking it would be something like the "clock bomb" in that school. But, now, you can be sure, they won't be ignoring any tips from the public.
 
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As Americans we have to be alert to foreigners suddenly behaving differently. Anything suspicious should be reported from now on by everyone.
 
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glorydaz said:
What he saw....middle eastern men working late in the garage and lots of packages being delivered.
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Despite the fact that the attackers weren't Middle-Eastern?

You don't think this is a pretty weak test? Three points? 1. Brown, 2. working late, 3. lots of packages? That probably describes a quarter of the state's population.

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Since it was California, they may have pooh-poohed it, thinking it would be something like the "clock bomb" in that school. But, now, you can be sure, they won't be ignoring any tips from the public.
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Na, you're just being racist. Of course, it's easy to identify the attackers now that we know who they are. That doesn't mean that targeting people who look like them is a winning tactic.
 
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Active shooter near San Bernardino, CA

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You're an atheist?
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The bottom line is that what a lot of people here are proposing is literally counter-productive in fighting Daesh. Daesh are living out an apocalyptic religious fantasy. They are, to Islam, a little like the Branch Davidians to Christians (though certainly much larger and better organized), which is to say that it comes from Islam, and it is Islamic in many ways, but it is a very narrow slice of the whole. And they want to create a divide between Muslims and the rest of the world, so that there can be a final crusade. We play into their narrative if we alienate and mistreat Muslims.

Worth watching:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-says-how-they-can-be-defeated-a6757336.html

The true enemy of Daesh is not Christianity, it's not the West, it's not the Jews, it is security for everyone including Muslims and open, secular society.
 
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