zoo22
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Yeah, that's what's irrational. That must be it. :chuckle:
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Yeah, that's what's irrational. That must be it. :chuckle:
Yes. And then there is that Knight fellow. Why you would think that he owns this place. The nerve!
You don't have a bible or access to one? We have His word that warns us, you just don't wish to believe it. I believe it, so I do not walk my neighbor into hell, i do my best to let them know what can save their life.
In these cases, the written records can be verified with external evidence.
I wouldn't consider the Captain America movie as documentation of a drug addicted pretty boy armed with only a shield helping US soldiers during WWII.
Arthur Brain
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Believe what exactly Angel? That Hell/Sheol is the grave and not some place of torment? That everyone goes there? What do you actually even know about the translations where it comes to 'hell'? What do you know about Gehenna/Hades/Tartarus/Sheol?
You don't even take 'hell' - or the lake of fire - as a place of literal fiery torment, so do please explain your reasoning for considering such as metaphor instead of literal.
Arthur Brain
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In addition to my last, how did that even answer my question anyway? Why would a loving God leave people's potential eternal fates in the hands of other fallible people?
Well you make an interesting point. I wouldn't consider all the goop about drag queens as evidence that a man can change sex. Where does that leave you?
I have already answered you in other threads and not doing more of your hell talk, i understand you dont believe the scriptures.
Take this or leave it - I believe hell as you are using it - beyond the grave part, as in lake of fire hell, where the unbeliever perishes eternally.
Since i believe that, i will not walk people into that pit. You can feel free to mock me, argue about it, whatever, i believe scripture. Jesus warned about it more than He talked about heaven, so if its really not that bad, that would have been a really weird thing to do.
I wont have blood on my hands, no amount of mocking and feigned outrage will take the truth from me.
If you just want a loophole argument in this life, all your philosophical flesh arguments might make you think you have one, but you have to ignore the scriptures to have it and rely on your own morality instead of Gods.
I care about HIS truth, His morality and other people, not your "philosophy" of death in the name of love and want to do what God asks me to do, and that is preach the truth that will save men from that pit.
Now you can keep asking me to defend my belief on hell, but youve had it, and i wont be answering you again on it.
With a raised eyebrow.
Get a bible, there is a reason we have one, read it - it is the word of God, He didnt leave it just in fallible mans hands, we have His word.
Ask me again, get the same answer - heed it or depend on your own 'wisdom'
Some people have told me it was only inspired by God, but not his direct word. Others have told me the Bible is not perfect because man wrote it. Are they wrong to call themselves Christians?
Read the bible and ask God to reveal the truth to you when you sincerely want it above all else and find out. Keep in mind that also means the parts you do not personally like.
Been there, done that, several times, got nothing out of it.
I'm planning on doing it again, but this time I'm going to film it.
Thanks for the notice.
Do they deny that the Christ has victory over the grave?
I actually plan on doing a little bible study tonight. I recently discovered a youtube channel that features atheists reading the bible. It's really entertaining.
I'd have to ask them to be sure, but I don't think so.
Excellent. Maybe you all can start with this one:
Isaiah 55:11
11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
Arthur Brain
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Well, from this I can only take it that you don't know about the translations for 'hell' then, because you have not answered any of that in other threads. If you had I wouldn't be asking you for what you knew as regards Gehenna/Hades/Tartarus/Sheol from the original texts now. If you want to regard that as 'mocking' you then it actually isn't, and if you want to flippantly state that I don't believe properly because I don't go along with your belief in an eternal state of metaphorical suffering then have at it. It doesn't negate the fact that you use metaphor when it suits and leave a literal take behind if you rely on that as a yardstick.
If you cared about 'truth' so much you'd quit telling those who disagree with your interpretation of things that they're simply 'wrong' and provide something to back it up with. If you have no idea as regards the origins of the actual 'hell' doctrine or the original texts then you're just blowing in the wind. It should give any compassionate person pause for thought that a doctrine that has people thrown in a state of inescapable suffering is actually the *truth*...