9/11 Conspiracies

fool

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no, i think the mooslims were as surprised as anybody that the buildings came down

and architectural engineers consider risks based on their likelihood of occurring - they design for hurricane force winds, not meteor strikes

It took the plane and stood for another 40 minutes.
Plane crash: check
But the plane took out the sprinkler risers.
Fire suppression: no check
Also, it was an office building not an aircraft hanger so it's not certain the sprinklers would have worked but they wouldn't have hurt and would have helped at least keep the temperatures down.
 

Nick M

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The energy of movement is factored into momentum, which is what hit the buildings.
 

ok doser

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whaddya bet obama masterminded it just to make bush look bad so he could beat mccain in 08?
 

Nick M

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When you type "Bin Laden said he would use missiles as planes" into google, whom is a child of the devil operation, the hits are all about George Bush. Typical. And it shows it is true.

It was an inside job, and Bush let the outsiders do it at the same time. Just like the gospel perverters on TOL.

And yet these same critics today don't want Trump block jihadists from entering the country. What ever is right, they oppose.
 

ok doser

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It didn't evenly pancake, you'll never understand unless you get those erroneous ideas out of your head.
Watch the footage you posted.

you've ridden this merry-go-round before


don't you remember how it ends?
 

quip

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The two are not analogs to each other. Different construction leads to different failure modes. You cannot say that because building A fell this way, all buildings fail this way. Each is unique and each must be evaluated based on how it was constructed. Did you watch the entire video I posted or just dismiss it out of hand? It had a good computer model of the internal collapse of the building that matches what was actually seen on the videos.

The "failure model" in this particular case doesn't represent a random disbursement of damage...the opposite actually. 7 fell too uniformly, a random structual failure would have an initial failure point followed by the rest...per the video example.
 

glorydaz

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Its called an impulse function. The force is applied over an extremely small period of time. The plane decelerates but not nearly enough to significantly slow it. Instead, the energy is absorbed by the deformation and failure both the plane and the building.

Steel is not an infinitely strong material, it bends and tears and breaks when subjected to forces greater than then strength of the steel as determined by it dimensions, alloy and temper. Consider that formula for kinetic energy: 1/2mv^2

The weight of a 767 is about 395,00 pounds at take-off. The estimated velocity of the planes when they hit the tower was about 500mph. If you do the math, the kinetic energy of the plane hitting the building = 3.706 billion ft lbs force (5,024,650 Kilojoules). That converts to 1,654,464 ton -force. That is over a million and a half tons striking the building. D0 you think 1.6 million tons of force is enough to break steel?


In terms of the the physics of the collapses, yes. I think there may be political components that we do not know about. There is nothing to support a controlled demolition of any of the buildings. Our government is no where nearly competent enough to pull of a false flag operation of this magnitude without it being leaked.

Wow. I'm thinking you must be a great cabinet maker if you know all that stuff. :thumb:
 

fool

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Not really relevant. The amount of work needed to to do a controlled demolition is what is relevant. I have seen one in person. They spent weeks getting it ready. They being military demolition of a bachelor quarter. And the building is a fraction of the size.

It could have been rigged, every 30 or so floors was a mechanical floor;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_floor
(Previous WTC) Twin Towers: Floors 7–8, 41–42, 75–76, and 108–109 (total 8/110, 7%). The 110th Floor of 1 WTC (North Tower) housed television and radio transmission equipment. Some sources erroneously mention 12 floors, in groups of 3, due to the height of the vents (actually the ceilings there were higher) and because levels 44 and 78 were skylobbies which in many buildings sit directly on top of the mechanical floors. However the twin towers had one occupied office floor under each skylobby, accessible through escalators.
 

CabinetMaker

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The "failure model" in this particular case doesn't represent a random disbursement of damage...the opposite actually. 7 fell too uniformly, a random structual failure would have an initial failure point followed by the rest...per the video example.

Why did the penthouse collapse before the walls? Why did the penthouse collapse only from one end and not uniformly. What support do have for claim that random fires would not lead to this kind of failure?
 
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