8/6 Republican Debate Thread
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The strange thing is, until recently, he wasn't a conservative at all, at least based on his stated positions, so it's a little bit weird that he is getting as much support as he is. If you ask me, something kinda smells off about his candidacy, even if you ignore the words coming from his mouth.
no, no
unless you consider a certain type of ideological conservative
who
doesn't think
but
does hate
a real conservative could not support trump in any way
annabenedetti
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If you look back (that's rhetorical for you) you can see how much he's waffled, but not just in the past; he just did regarding Carly Fiorina, pre- and post- Carly's "I stand with Megyn."
I totally agree with you on something being off about his candidacy. What's fascinating and disturbing to me is how many people have set aside presumably strong opinions and/or values to back him. Okay, so some of the so-called grassroots, tired-of-politics-as-usual crowd would be sexist and racist anyway. But they're also pushing down any red flags about Trump's crony capitalism, influence-buying, past ideologies, all kinds of things that if it was anyone else, they'd be on it with a magnifying glass.
This is a guy who's alleged to have paid actors to cheer for him when he announced his presidential bid.
If it's true, it highlights what's essential an empty shell, and it makes you wonder who's moving the shells.
annabenedetti
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But supposedly real conservatives are. Without even questioning things they normally would, like his foreign policy. Can you imagine Trump diplomacy? Boast loudly and carry a big shtick?
Maybe there's a deal going on, or maybe people really are that clueless.
based on what?
who are they asking?
is not a trump supporter capable of lying?
is not trump the best thing to happen to democrats this year?
annabenedetti
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I don't know what they're basing it on, or who they're asking, or whether they're lying to us or to themselves.
And yeah, I'm sure the Democrats are pretty pleased. How could they not be? The entire GOP is in disarray. :chuckle:
I was talking with someone the other day and he said something could be done with NAFTA. I don't see it happening, but that might be a potential way to make Mexico pay for it.
It tells me that she's a self promoter interested in separating herself from the pack. Trump is a perfect means to that end. The lesser light on self answer would have been not to have mentioned her having any need to apologize to begin with, then the "I'm not going to apologize for doing the job" next. Her choice, I thought, was in line with my perception of her. Nothing wrong with getting ahead, but she's not a victim of anything. Her "getting past me" remark was more of the same in terms of focusing some light back onto herself.
She'll likely continue to rise in the estimation and ranks of her cohorts and the conservative wing. Who knows where that will take her?
That explains the seating arrangement. I didn't comment of Trump because he's like a self messing oven. He may end up being the republican version of Nader in this cycle, as far as his impact goes, if he doesn't get the nomination.
I think he's a little like Ross in the "don't care" department. Most of his rhetoric is calculated. Like right now we aren't talking much about his opponents.
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Hmmm..maybe we could stop the flow of new Fords, Dodges and Chevys into America until they ante up? :rotfl:
Anything that can be done through NAFTA is subject to the text of that international agreement. It's not at the Presidents discretion.
I'd be surprised if he does. He'd lose and Trump wouldn't want to lose twice at the same thing.
If he does then there really must be something going on between him and the Clintons.
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No, but thanks for underscoring the point your desperate grab in the phony awards thread whiffed on.
annabenedetti
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"Nothing wrong with getting ahead, but she's not a victim of anything?"
You sound like you just walked off the set of Mad Men.
You're setting the bar higher for her than you are for the man who pretends to the Oval Office.
It's really a candidacy for the "reality" TV era. The producers of those shows know that people don't tune in for civil, reasonable people getting through their real lives and struggles. They tune in for the guy who takes off all his clothes and gets into fist fight with another contestant, or who curses at their opponents. Fox knows that too, and Trump knows it as well as anyone. They very well could have excluded Trump from their debate, and they chose not to, perhaps for arguably good reasons, but I think that puts the debate squarely into the realm of entertainment. And it was entertaining.
The separation of the conservative movement is normal and natural.
Look at the little rag-tag band of Jesus followers who were forced to eventually merge into the massive and violent Roman Empire. Anytime you have a monolithic entity that does not tolerate any differences or nuances (such as any tyranny proves) then it is ripe for an overthrow or, at the least, a blend.
Trump might just be the force that can eventually ally the Tea Party/Occupy Wall Street forces on both sides. He is just as hateful and rude as many ideological conservatives we've seen but is also someone who sees the real problems and hopefully will tackle them in ways the average politician is afraid to do.
annabenedetti
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What values do you have to set aside in order to support him?
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I'm trying to think of a nationally televised conservative political commentator (or uncommontator
) that doesn't fall roughly into that same mold. :think: ..... :think: ..... :think: ..... :idunno: ... can I get back with you on that Or maybe GOP oven cleaner?
Spread it on THICK, turn up the heat, let it work till Nov. 2016 then sweep away the ashes? :rotfl:
That!