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Actually, God knew they were hiding. God waited for Adam explain himself. Gen. 3:8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. 9 And the Lord God...

I'm one who believes that God seeing good in the creation of Adam, and being grieved at what man is capable of is ALL part of his character. He does not change, He is so much bigger than man can imagine.

Yes, it reminds me of this verse. Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

If you say so. If you say so. You're so much better than everyone else. You lie. I said IF you beat your kids black and blue, they could still run out in front of a car. Yet, I did put up with you saying I was a horrible mother, in fact you gave me some information about how to be a good...

The question is when the soul dies. And it says soul, not spirit. If you count them together, which I think they are, then it still doesn't say the "soul" dies immediately on sinning. In fact, there are some Judgments coming up that will determine what happens. We may be condemned to death...

Ah, so you believe in soul sleep because death was called sleep back in the day? Jesus wasn't lying, He was speaking to people who knew what "sleep" meant.

Saying it doesn't make it so, Clete.

The OT fathers called it sleep, because it looks like the person is sleeping. No more no less.

Now, I am totally fascinated. I must look into this one. :geek:

Yes, very odd, but since I've been such a bad girl and haven't followed this entire thread, maybe I'll see what Derf has to say. In fact, you've piqued my interest. Maybe I can actually wade through this thing. We'll see.

You're the one that says I was separated from God.

This looks like it's Derf's thread. Very odd.

Whoa. It wasn't irrelevant to me. Maybe I'm not "the rest of us".

What do you mean you cleaned up the thread? Are you the new FaceBook?

Seeking Him because I was created with the knowledge of God in me. We were created to know Him. I actually believe what Paul has to say, and I know if from personal experience. Romans 1: 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For...

Oh, I'm making Clete unhappy. Woe is me. I come here in spite of you being here, Clete, because I am long-suffering, and because there are others here who actually aren't pigs. You can whisper in someone's ear and get me banned, if I'm so hard for you to tolerate. That will be a work of...

What relationship would that be if we were spiritually dead because of Adam's sin.? Explain that "relationship" you're talking about. Pot kettle

Before I was saved, my spirit was not dead....it was seeking God. Man is without excuse, and a "dead" spirit certainly gives man an excuse, doesn't it? I was not made to believe or elected to believe, but my spirit responded to the Gospel when I heard it. The reason my spirit responded was...

They are condemned to death. Awaiting the Judgment of God.

Yep, I see that. But dead is used many different ways. The condemned to death is what I'm talking about. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.