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I just spent some time looking to the Hebrew and the meaning of this portion of scripture. Some agree with you, and others don't. What I found very interesting was the agreement seemed to be that it was talking about losing immortality. Even those who said, "dying you shall die" was speaking...

Well, I think God has all the bases covered. We just have to see where each fits in. :)

It's in my Bible, so I'll stick with that.

Paul is not saying the law kills any more than he is saying we are dead to sin. Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? What the law does is condemn us to death, and that is what Paul is talking about. You're missing his point totally in chapter...

That scripture has nothing to do with actually being "dead"....it has to do with the LAW and being condemned by the LAW to death. The rest of your words are nothing more than conjecture. Where is your scripture to prove it? You said, "Having the ability to hear and respond to the gospel is...

And this next verse tells us something else... God's not changing here, that's for sure. Malachi 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein...

I'm speaking of the Antichrist of the end days. Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in...

I think the deception was only possible because of the word "surely". Whether any part of Adam died that day, or whether his access to the tree of life was cut off and he would eventually die, or whether he was condemned to die because of his sin are all in the realm of possibility. The...

Nope....armed or girded. Looks like we've both been reading Exodus. lol He made some really good points in that piece.

Do you think he meant this. Exodus 13:18 But God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red sea: and the children of Israel went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt. Yep, it means armed or girded according to the Concordance.

Totally awesome. Thank you for sharing.

Some say we begin to die the moment we are born. The dying process takes quite some time for most people.

Oh dear. We're not slipping into anything. You admitted you beleived in the Pretrib rapture at one time. Perhaps you need to take another look. No nee to be so sensitive. I not accusing you of anything. I'm talking about generalities regarding the post tribulation rapture....which so many...

I can dispute who those verses are written to and what they say, but you're speaking of something totally different than I am. How about you do me a favor. Read Matthew 23 and 24, then read Matt. 21. There are all kinds of evidences plus we know that Jerusalem is going to be under siege...

So the four horsemen must be sent by God. Good find, Tam. It won't be the church who are being oppressed. We don't follow the Lamb, and have already been raptured.

Actually, nothing in Matt. 24 is speaking of any seven year timeline. That can be found in Daniel. I'm glad to see, though, that you recognize this is speaking of Jesus' 2nd coming. It will, indeed, be after the GREAT TRIBULATION which includes all the wrath which the church is NOT appointed...

I wonder if we can really comprehend our Great God and Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ. John 14: 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith...

I think it's speaking of the intrinsic essence of God.

This discussion reminds me of the verse in Hebrews. Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Not sure why you're drawing such wrath, but I'm happy to see you can still laugh.