well, yes...did u read my posts? - I've leaned towards universalism of a kind, but held out that annihilation may be possible for some souls, but have rejected ECT (see my expose on that here). I'm also exchanging with him on some of his other 'universalism' threads,....we agree on points but differ in approach/context on others. Seems some of his points have a limitation of 'context' and the criteria is 'set', but neglects or doesn't specify other content/context variables,...so a 'format' is assumed,...but still open-ended. Anyways,....u can engage those points on the thread. I don't see any event can be proved to be without a 'cause', since all movements have some cause/effect element, or an antecedent influence, except 'God',....or so we assume.