Why would God need a hell?

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What is Babylon the Great? I think its Apostate Christianity, Rev. 18:2, " Babylon the Great has fallen and become the habitation of devils." This is why the doctrine of eternal hell exist , its an apostate doctrine. It insults the salvation of God. Its so far from the truth, it reveals how far God's people have drifted away from truth.

But God will have his people back. Christianity will one day be awakened. The sleeper will awaken.
 
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Mickiel said:
God is making known his salvation, Ps. 98:1. He is getting his truth out there. All of us will see his salvation...
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"Ps 98:1. gotten … victory—literally, “made salvation,” enabled Him to save His people.

right hand, and … arm—denote power.

holy arm—or, “arm of holiness,” the power of His united moral perfections (Ps 22:3; 32:11)." Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 1, p. 375). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 
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Mickiel said:
"2 Pet. 3:18...[W]e don't need the Christian hell, we have a constant growing grace of God."
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"2 Pe 3:18. grow—Not only do not “fall from” (2 Pe 3:17), but grow onward: the true secret of not going backward. Eph 4:15, “Grow up into Him, the Head, Christ.”" Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 2, p. 523). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 
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Mickiel said:
"...[T]hey seek to populate their hell...2 Corinth.5:19..."
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"2 Co 5:19. God was in Christ, reconciling—that is, God was BY Christ (in virtue of Christ’s intervention) reconciling,” &c. Was reconciling” implies the time when the act of reconciliation was being carried into effect (2 Co 5:21), namely, when “God made Jesus, who knew no sin, to be sin for us.” The compound of “was” and the participle “reconciling,” instead of the imperfect (Greek), may also imply the continuous purpose of God, from before the foundation of the world, to reconcile man to Himself, whose fall was foreseen. The expression “IN Christ” for “by Christ” may be used to imply additionally that God was IN Christ (Jn 10:38; 14:10), and so by Christ (the God-man) was reconciling … The Greek for “by” or “through” Christ (the best manuscripts omit “Jesus”), 2 Co 5:18, is different. “In” must mean here in the person of Christ. The Greek Katallasson implies “changing” or altering the judicial status from one of condemnation to one of justification. The atonement (at-one-ment), or reconciliation, is the removal of the bar to peace and acceptance with a holy God, which His righteousness interposed against our sin. The first step towards restoring peace between us and God was on God’s side (Jn 3:16). The change therefore now to be effected must be on the part of offending man, God the offended One being already reconciled. It is man, not God, who now needs to be reconciled, and to lay aside his enmity against God (Ro 5:10, 11). (“We have received the atonement” [Greek, reconciliation], cannot mean “We have received the laying aside of our own enmity”). Compare Ro 3:24, 25." Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 2, p. 309). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 
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.Matt. 1:21 the angel said that Jesus would " save his people from their sins." All have sinned and that same all is saved!
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"...for he shall save—The “He” is here emphatic—He it is that shall save; He personally, and by personal acts (as WEBSTER and WILKINSON express it).

his people—the lost sheep of the house of Israel, in the first instance; for they were the only people He then had. But, on the breaking down of the middle wall of partition, the saved people embraced the “redeemed unto God by His blood out of every kindred and people and tongue and nation.”

from their sins—in the most comprehensive sense of salvation from sin (Rev 1:5; Eph 5:25–27)." Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 2, p. 6). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 
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chrysostom said:
you have to repent...
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He always seems to leave that part out. :think:

Divine judgment is avoided by: turning to God (Deut. 30:1–3), turning from sin (Jer. 7:3–7), humiliation (Jon. 1:1–17), prayer (2 Kin. 19:14–36; 2 Chr. 20:5–30). Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 357). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.
 
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Mickiel said:
...Rev. 13:8...God decided before any religion was, that we be saved.
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"Re 13:8 Book of Life....The Lord Jesus who died to purchase the salvation of those whom God had chosen was fulfilling an eternal plan. from the foundation of the world." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 2010). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
 
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What is Babylon the Great? I think its Apostate Christianity, Rev. 18:2...
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And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird [Rev. 18:2].

"And he shouted with a mighty voice, saying, Fell, fell is Babylon the great, and became a habitation of demons, and a prison (hold, cage) of every unclean spirit, and a prison (hold, cage) of every unclean and hated bird.

The preliminary announcement of the fall of Babylon was made in Revelation 14:8: “And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.” The angel here is greater in authority than the one who made that first announcement.

In the words, “Fell, fell is Babylon … and became,” the tense in the Greek is prophetic aorist which speaks of coming events as if they have already transpired. When God says something is going to happen, you can speak about it as though it had already happened, because it is going to happen. It is just that sure. In God’s plan and program it is just as though it had already taken place because He knows the end from the beginning. Babylon, this great commercial center of the world, is going to be destroyed.

“A habitation of demons, and a cage of every unclean spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hated bird.” This indicates that Babylon is where demons of the spirit world and unclean birds of the physical world will be incarcerated during the Millennium. The prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah confirm this (see Isa. 13:19–22; Jer. 50:38–40). These prophecies find a final fulfillment in the destruction of literal Babylon here in Revelation 18. If this is true, there is no prophecy which forbids Babylon from being rebuilt. Babylon is the headquarters of demons and has been the place of rebellion down through the years." McGee, J. V. (1991). Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophecy (Revelation 14-22) (electronic ed., Vol. 60, pp. 104–105). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
 
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Mickiel said:
Why would God need a hell, when death and hell were cast into the lake of fire, Rev. 20:14.
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"Re 20:14. Death and Hades, as personified representatives of the enemies of Christ’ and His Church, are said to be cast into the lake of fire to express the truth that Christ and His people shall never more die, or be in the state of disembodied spirits.

This is the second death—“the lake of fire” is added in A, B, and ANDREAS. English Version, which omits the clause, rests on inferior manuscripts. In hell the ancient form of death, which was one of the enemies destroyed by Christ, shall not continue, but a death of a far different kind reigns there, “everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord”: an abiding testimony of the victory of Christ." Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 2, p. 600). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
 
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The doctrine of eternal hell punishing gives place to the devil, Eph. 4:27.
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Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Neither give place to the devil [Eph. 4:25–27].

"Paul returns to the prohibitions which he began in verse 17. The believer is told to walk no longer as the Gentiles walk. These injunctions continue through the remainder of the epistle..." McGee, J. V. (1997). Thru the Bible commentary (electronic ed., Vol. 5, pp. 258–259). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
 
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