Why no unretouched non-composite Photo of Earth from Space past 1000 miles?

Nazaroo

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Try it: Google photo of Earth from Space

You will find of course the iconic picture that NASA has since admitted was 'composite'.

And you will find many images apparently taken from below 1000 miles (i.e., satellite / space station orbits),
but no pictures from any of the Apollo flights for instance of the entire earth in
a high resolution, unretouched, unphotoshopped version.

Why?


PHOTOSHOPPED:

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LOW ORBIT: (photoshopped & bluescreened?)

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COMPOSITE SATELLITE IMAGE: (coloured / enhanced? )

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All the Apollo missions took along Hasselblads with German lenses.



Where are the photos of earth?

Say from 100,000 miles out, or 250,000 miles out, or even 1,000 miles out?

The earth is only 25,000 miles in perimeter.

a camera with a standard lens could snap the whole earth from a mere 20,000 miles out.
 

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The earth is only 25,000 miles in perimeter.

a camera with a standard lens could snap the whole earth from a mere 20,000 miles out.

"Apollo 17 was the last manned lunar mission. No one since has been far enough from Earth to photograph a whole-Earth image such as The Blue Marble, but whole-Earth images have been taken by many unmanned spacecraft missions." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Marble#History
 

patrick jane

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"Apollo 17 was the last manned lunar mission. No one since has been far enough from Earth to photograph a whole-Earth image such as The Blue Marble, but whole-Earth images have been taken by many unmanned spacecraft missions." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Marble#History

Certainly one of the far reaching satellites sent to explore deep space have taken pictures of earth as they go further away. Right ? It shouldn't be difficult.
 

Nazaroo

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Virtually every picture showing the full Earth derives from one photograph taken in 1972. Yet hardly anybody notices this.

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Apollo 17 was NASA's last and most successful manned Moon mission. Within just a few hours of launch the crew were 24,000 km away and could see an entire hemisphere of Earth. The photo they took was labelled AS17-148-22726 and was added to the hundreds of thousands of others in the NASA archives. And there it would have remained, were it not for environmental organisations and famine-relief organisations of the early 1980's. Its prominent depiction of Africa and Antarctica made it perfectly suited as symbols for both causes. Posters started appearing pairing the photo with captions such as "It's the only one we've got".
This initial boost was all that was needed to start a monopoly. From then on, whenever someone was seeking to use a photograph of Earth, naturally it was an example of AS17-148-22726 that one would find first. Television, newspapers, websites, mouse pads and marketing material are all oozing with copies of the photograph. Yet astonishingly few people notice that they are being presented with the same photo over and over.








My first question is, does this look like an unretouched photo to you?

Or does it show signs of being a partial painting, tweaked with the original 'in-house'
early versions of "Photoshop" .

As apparently all more recent photos, even those issued by NASA are still based on this one "photo",
why is that?

Why are all subsequent photos actually computer generated composites?
 

patrick jane

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Virtually every picture showing the full Earth derives from one photograph taken in 1972. Yet hardly anybody notices this.

earth.jpg
Apollo 17 was NASA's last and most successful manned Moon mission. Within just a few hours of launch the crew were 24,000 km away and could see an entire hemisphere of Earth. The photo they took was labelled AS17-148-22726 and was added to the hundreds of thousands of others in the NASA archives. And there it would have remained, were it not for environmental organisations and famine-relief organisations of the early 1980's. Its prominent depiction of Africa and Antarctica made it perfectly suited as symbols for both causes. Posters started appearing pairing the photo with captions such as "It's the only one we've got".
This initial boost was all that was needed to start a monopoly. From then on, whenever someone was seeking to use a photograph of Earth, naturally it was an example of AS17-148-22726 that one would find first. Television, newspapers, websites, mouse pads and marketing material are all oozing with copies of the photograph. Yet astonishingly few people notice that they are being presented with the same photo over and over.








My first question is, does this look like an unretouched photo to you?

Or does it show signs of being a partial painting, tweaked with the original 'in-house'
early versions of "Photoshop" .

As apparently all more recent photos, even those issued by NASA are still based on this one "photo",
why is that?

Why are all subsequent photos actually computer generated composites?

They don't want us to see too much
 

Nazaroo

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What do you make of this video, mistakenly released by NASA, from the Apollo flights?

It appears to show the astronauts in low orbit faking a shot of a distant earth,
at a time when they ought to be actually half-way to the moon...

Its obvious that this footage itself isn't faked, and is of the real astronauts.
Jump to 37:51 here to see what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyfVNrA4XIs

 

Nazaroo

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The difference there is that Stanley Kubrick isn't an astronaut.

Maybe he was involved, maybe not.

But its different when the astronauts themselves, in a spaceship,
actually try to create the look of a distant earth using the window of their craft.

If you can't trust the astronauts themselves, who can you trust?
 

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What do you make of this video, mistakenly released by NASA, from the Apollo flights?

It appears to show the astronauts in low orbit faking a shot of a distant earth,
at a time when they ought to be actually half-way to the moon...

Its obvious that this footage itself isn't faked, and is of the real astronauts.
Jump to 37:51 here to see what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyfVNrA4XIs

Have you ever tried to take a picture at night through a window with lights on in the house? Try it. How about trying to take a picture trough a window with the sun shining through a window be find you? Try it some time. Then tell us how you dealt with the reflections.
 

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Certainly one of the far reaching satellites sent to explore deep space have taken pictures of earth as they go further away. Right ? It shouldn't be difficult.

You'll find a picture of the Earth and its moon, taken from the surface of Mars by NASA's Curiosity Mars rover, at this link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PIA17936-f2-MarsCuriosityRover-EarthMoon-20140131.jpg

In this rare image taken on July 19, 2013, the wide-angle camera on NASA's Cassini spacecraft has captured Saturn's rings and our planet Earth and its moon in the same frame: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/whycassini/cassini20130722.html#.VokiQVnEbEl
 
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Clete

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Conspiracies of this type cannot persist. You can't imagine the billions of dollars that would have to be spent and the thousands and thousands of people who would have to be "in" on the deception.

Disbelief in the lunar landing is akin to a denying the existence of German concentration camps and the murder of millions of Jews during WWII except that faking concentration camps would be easier to pull off - a lot easier.
 

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you will find many images apparently taken from below 1000 miles (i.e., satellite / space station orbits),
but no pictures from any of the Apollo flights for instance of the entire earth in
a high resolution, unretouched, unphotoshopped version.
...
Where are the photos of earth?

Say from 100,000 miles out, or 250,000 miles out, or even 1,000 miles out?

Err...


"This view of the rising Earth greeted the Apollo 8 astronauts as they came from behind the Moon after the fourth nearside orbit." -- http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2001-000009.html
 

rocketman

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Conspiracies of this type cannot persist. You can't imagine the billions of dollars that would have to be spent and the thousands and thousands of people who would have to be "in" on the deception.

Disbelief in the lunar landing is akin to a denying the existence of German concentration camps and the murder of millions of Jews during WWII except that faking concentration camps would be easier to pull off - a lot easier.

Pretty much sums up how i feel about it as well...ignorance at it's finest.
 

zoo22

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What a New Year’s treat, Nazaroo kicking off 2016 at TOL with some moon landing conspiracy videos! I hope this is just a taste of the hard-hitting discussion to come this year at TOL!

Haven't you watched the videos you posted of Stanley Kubrick finally confessing to faking the moon landing?

The difference there is that Stanley Kubrick isn't an astronaut.

Oh, I was just joking. Well, I suppose I was sort of hoping you'd answer. But I know you hadn't actually watched the videos you'd posted, or you'd have seen that the interviewer actually stopped to coach the bad actor playing Kubrick, who went totally out of character… Typically, you were just slamming out garbage without even knowing what you were posting. It’s awesome.

But its different when the astronauts themselves, in a spaceship,
actually try to create the look of a distant earth using the window of their craft.

If you can't trust the astronauts themselves, who can you trust?

Try accepting reality. You're deep in a dark, ever-expanding hole of conspiracy and confusion, where nothing can ever be as it seems, where the government controls the weather, the moon landing was faked, murdered children are actors, and there are secret colored stickers on your mailbox that indicate to the soldiers which FEMA Death Camp you’re about to be dragged away to. Try to paw your way out of there and back to reality.

Anyway. The section of the video you're referring to is from a moon hoax documentary called A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, by Bart Sibrel. It's been well debunked.

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Here it is in full, for you to spiral off into:

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon


Here's the explanation of what you think is leaked footage by shady conspiracy-fueled astronauts "trying to create the look of a distant earth using the window of their craft."

From "MOON HOAX: DEBUNKED! DEBUNKING DOUBTERS AND LUNATICS, CELEBRATING COURAGE AND INGENUITY"

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6.11 The astronauts faked footage of Earth seen from deep space

IN A NUTSHELL: No. Had the footage been faked by shooting it from Earth orbit through a circular window to make the Earth look small and distant, as some conspiracy theorists claim, the clouds would have changed continuously as the spacecraft flew over different parts of the planet. But in the footage the clouds remain unchanged.

THE DETAILS: Moon hoax theorist Bart Sibrel, in his video A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon (2001), shows an Apollo 11 video recording that he claims to be “never before seen or heard footage” in which the astronauts allegedly faked being far from Earth when they were actually still in low orbit around it.

According to Sibrel, they “placed the camera at the back of the spacecraft and centered the lens on a circular window in the foreground, outside of which it is completely filled with the Earth in low orbit. The circumference of the window then appears to be the diameter of the Earth at a distance, with the darkened walls of the spacecraft appearing to be the blackness of space around it.” (Figure 6-24).

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In other words, according to Sibrel's theory, the astronauts used the circular window to mask the bulk of the Earth and only show a circular portion of its surface, thus creating the illusion of a distant floating sphere.

In actual fact, the footage is not “never before seen or heard” as Sibrel alleges. It is part of a series of color TV transmissions made by the Apollo 11 astronauts on their way to the Moon, 10.5 hours and 34 hours after liftoff, when they were respectively 94,500 and 240,000 kilometers (51,000 and 130,000 nautical miles) from Earth. The full recording has been available for a long time, for example on the Apollo 11 DVDs published by Spacecraft Films. Sibrel's version is recut out of sequence: the unedited footage simply shows the astronauts preparing for TV transmissions and testing the camera settings. This is evident by listening to their communications in full, as available in the Apollo Flight Journal, instead of taking selected quotes out of context.

Moreover, the camera trick alleged by Sibrel wouldn't have worked even if the astronauts had tried it. If the Apollo spacecraft had been in low orbit around the Earth, with its TV camera peeking at a small portion of the planet below through a circular mask, the footage would have shown ever-changing clouds and parts of the planet rolling by as the spacecraft rapidly circled the globe. The uncut, less grainy version of the video presented by Sibrel instead shows exactly the same unchanging cloud patterns for as much as fifteen minutes.

The original footage reveals that the frame shown in Figure 6-24 includes the outline of all of the western coast of North America and of Baja California in the upper left region (north is down and to the left). This is confirmed by photograph AS11-36-5337, which was taken approximately at the same time as the TV transmissions and shows the same cloud patterns, allowing to determine that the TV picture actually shows the entire North American continent and most of the Pacific Ocean. This would be impossible from low Earth orbit.

Source: "MOON HOAX: DEBUNKED! DEBUNKING DOUBTERS AND LUNATICS, CELEBRATING COURAGE AND INGENUITY"


But I don't imagine this explanation will make any difference to you, (let alone switch on any light bulb of self-recognition for you), rather I expect it being explained will only convince you even more that there’s a conspiracy at work, as is typical with conspiracy theorists. So I’m looking forward to plenty more of your thrashing around wildly in space this coming year.
 
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