Why is sex and sexual orientation so public?

[Quetzal]

Most people think of social acceptance as remaining in the bounds of what's socially acceptable. :think:

In regards to the OP, it is acceptable now. That is, the majority of the people that make up our society believe it is okay. This is illustrated by the legislation that has passed, the continued liberal trend on social issues, and the international acceptance of the lifestyle.

 

[PureX]

...they need the acceptance of...people in order to feel like what they do is fine...

That's true of all human activity. All humans want to feel accepted and appreciated by the society in which they live. And there's nothing wrong with people wanting that.

That's why. Perversity craves acceptance and cannot tolerate disapproval. Or even apathy, it seems to me.

Yes, I have no doubt that's how it seems to you. I'm sure it seems that way to anyone who is bigoted against the freedom and innate differences of other people.

 

[ok doser]

Most people think of social acceptance as remaining in the bounds of what's socially acceptable. :think:

this is why i am constantly after town for his position of supporting social acceptance of perversion

today, social acceptance includes abortion, pornography, adultery, divorce, homosexuality, etc etc etc

and town argues that this is a "necessary evil"

 

[ok doser]

That's true of all human activity. All humans want to feel accepted and appreciated by the society in which they live. And there's nothing wrong with people wanting that.
Yes, I have no doubt that's how it seems to you. I'm sure it seems that way to anyone who is bigoted against the freedom and innate differences of other people.

even when it comes to pedophiles?

 

[bybee]

this is why i am constantly after town for his position of supporting social acceptance of perversion

today, social acceptance includes abortion, pornography, adultery, divorce, homosexuality, etc etc etc

and town argues that this is a "necessary evil"

That is a bald faced lie! He doesn't do that.

 

[bybee]

That's true of all human activity. All humans want to feel accepted and appreciated by the society in which they live. And there's nothing wrong with people wanting that.
Yes, I have no doubt that's how it seems to you. I'm sure it seems that way to anyone who is bigoted against the freedom and innate differences of other people.

Adrien Peterson found out that what he and his mother found acceptable in doling out punishment to a small child was not acceptable by society. And he paid a hefty price for it.
You see bigotry everywhere!
I see differences of opinion which is to be expected in a pluralistic society.
For instance: Lets consider a nice restaurant. A couple sit down to a nice dinner and are bombarded with filthy talk coming from a table nearby. The restaurant ought to have the right to set standards for behavior within its bounds.

 

[ok doser]

That is a bald faced lie! He doesn't do that.

then let him respond

 

[glorydaz]

In regards to the OP, it is acceptable now. That is, the majority of the people that make up our society believe it is okay. This is illustrated by the legislation that has passed, the continued liberal trend on social issues, and the international acceptance of the lifestyle.

Hmmm.....I don't really think our voting system accurately reflects the majority. Maybe if you include the dead and the illegals it might. :think:

 

[Quetzal]

Hmmm.....I don't really think our voting system accurately reflects the majority. Maybe if you include the dead and the illegals it might. :think:

That is a fair point. With that said, polls that I have seen seem to support my statement. They certainly aren't air tight but that is what I base myself on. If you have data that stands against this, feel free to share in the discussion.

 

[Huckleberry]

Let's take it a step further. We are a social species, we all crave social acceptance. Don't make a mistake in thinking you are better than someone because that someone craves social acceptance. You do, too.

I don't think you took it a step further. I think you took it a step back. We're talking about seeking social acceptance and even approval...glorification, I'd argue...on the level that the LGBT does, aren't we? The OP seems to be asking why does the LGBT crowd demand acceptance this publicly and aggressively for this particular...thing. As opposed to other similar things people aren't nearly so public and aggressive about. At least that's how I interpreted the OP. :idunno:

Yes, I have no doubt that's how it seems to you. I'm sure it seems that way to anyone who is bigoted against the freedom and innate differences of other people.

Well, thankfully you're not bigoted at all and are able to offer this insightful and relevant perspective. I'll take my time in carefully considering your posi-...yeah, I'm done. Please try again later when you feel you can contribute something other than, "Yeah, we'll yer a bigotz!!1!"

 

[glorydaz]

this is why i am constantly after town for his position of supporting social acceptance of perversion

today, social acceptance includes abortion, pornography, adultery, divorce, homosexuality, etc etc etc

and town argues that this is a "necessary evil"

You have deliberately misconstrued what Town has said. The clue is right there in the "necessary evil" quote. We live in a world of sin, and laws are made by the ones who can best buy votes etc. to get laws passed. Town is speaking of the legal process and you know it.

The public schools are a "necessary evil" too. I don't like them, personally, and I taught my kids at home, but they are going to exist because we live in a world of sin.

I could actually enjoy your posts if you would get off this ridiculous vendetta you have against Town. It's very offensive to those of us who actually see what Town is saying instead of twisting it the way you do.

 

[Quetzal]

I don't think you took it a step further. I think you took it a step back. We're talking about seeking social acceptance and even approval...glorification, I'd argue...on the level that the LGBT does, aren't we?

You are lumping everything into one in a broad stroke. Acceptance is not the same as approval and that is not the same as glorification. You need to understand these three terms independently before this discussion can continue. I am arguing that the majority of the LGBT community is seeking acceptance. You don't have to like it, just leave it be and let it go.

To directly answer the op in regards to why this is so public and in your face... because the conservatives keep putting it there! Honestly, with this Kim Davis nonsense as a great example, if you people would just leave them be it would all quiet down. But since you refuse to do that, it will continue to be on the front page.

 

[glorydaz]

That is a fair point. With that said, polls that I have seen seem to support my statement. They certainly aren't air tight but that is what I base myself on. If you have data that stands against this, feel free to share in the discussion.

Ya know....I'm not much of a data person. But, I do live in Oregon and I think I have a pretty good perspective considering the fact that we have so many liberals along the I 5 corridor while the rest of the state is very conservative. Yes, we're outnumbered. However, I know these liberals well. They are easily influenced to follow the crowd. Those who get all huffy in defense of this or that, back down when the rubber meets the road. They would die of shock if a bunch of guys in g strings decided to march through Wal Mart. They would be covering their children's eyes and marching them out the door. It's fun to be a liberal until you get slapped in the face with what you know is wrong.

 

[Granite]

Ya know....I'm not much of a data person. But, I do live in Oregon and I think I have a pretty good perspective considering the fact that we have so many liberals along the I 5 corridor while the rest of the state is very conservative. Yes, we're outnumbered. However, I know these liberals well. They are easily influenced to follow the crowd. Those who get all huffy in defense of this or that, back down when the rubber meets the road. They would die of shock if a bunch of guys in g strings decided to march through Wal Mart. They would be covering their children's eyes and marching them out the door. It's fun to be a liberal until you get slapped in the face with what you know is wrong.

Is there a discount sale on broad brushes in your area?:chuckle:

 

[Quetzal]

Ya know....I'm not much of a data person. But, I do live in Oregon and I think I have a pretty good perspective considering the fact that we have so many liberals along the I 5 corridor while the rest of the state is very conservative. Yes, we're outnumbered. However, I know these liberals well. They are easily influenced to follow the crowd. Those who get all huffy in defense of this or that, back down when the rubber meets the road. They would die of shock if a bunch of guys in g strings decided to march through Wal Mart. They would be covering their children's eyes and marching them out the door. It's fun to be a liberal until you get slapped in the face with what you know is wrong.

What if the guy in the g-string is straight? Makes your entire argument invalid because he isn't doing it because he is gay. Public indecency has no bearing on the homosexual argument, it is also off topic and a strawman at best.

 

[ok doser]

You have deliberately misconstrued what Town has said. The clue is right there in the "necessary evil" quote. We live in a world of sin, and laws are made by the ones who can best buy votes etc. to get laws passed. Town is speaking of the legal process and you know it.

i know that he speaks of the corrupt current legal process as if it deserves to be honored and respected

I could actually enjoy your posts if you would get off this ridiculous vendetta you have against Town.

my "vendetta" against town stems from his support of evil


but hey, let's ask him


town - do you think the supreme court made the right decision on OBERGEFELL?

yes or no?

 

[Huckleberry]

You are lumping everything into one in a broad stroke. Acceptance is not the same as approval and that is not the same as glorification. You need to understand these three terms independently before this discussion can continue.

I intended to convey the seeking of acceptance and approval and, in my opinion, possibly even glorification. I certainly understand these words all have different meanings. If I failed to convey that, apologies.

I am arguing that the majority of the LGBT community is seeking acceptance. You don't have to like it, just leave it be and let it go.

If it is "in your face" and as aggressive as the OP suggests/implies then that makes it hard to either leave it or let it go. In fact, isn't that exactly what the OP is expressing frustration about and seeking an explanation for?

To directly answer the op in regards to why this is so public and in your face... because the conservatives keep putting it there! Honestly, with this Kim Davis nonsense as a great example, if you people would just leave them be it would all quiet down. But since you refuse to do that, it will continue to be on the front page.

That doesn't seem to be the sort of thing the OP is talking about. In fact it specifies the LGBT community. It seems more to be addressing their habit, generally, of thrusting their sexuality into the discourse at every opportunity, both individually and in the greater public arena. The author of the OP will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Quetzal]

If it is "in your face" and as aggressive as the OP suggests/implies then that makes it hard to either leave it or let it go. In fact, isn't that exactly what the OP is expressing frustration about and seeking an explanation for?

That doesn't seem to be the sort of thing the OP is talking about. In fact it specifies the LGBT community. It seems more to be addressing their habit, generally, of thrusting their sexuality into the discourse at every opportunity, both individually and in the greater public arena. The author of the OP will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong.

If that is the case, I do not see the data or sources to support the statement. Let's see an widespread, majority example of the LGBT community being aggressive and thrusting their sexuality on people. This cannot include vocal minorities because they do not represent the community as a whole. But before you do that, you have define that is means to be aggressive in this context. Further, you have to define examples of what "thrusting sexuality" means. None of this has been done so the OP holds absolutely zero weight outside of a personal observation.

 

[glorydaz]

i know that he speaks of the corrupt current legal process as if it deserves to be honored and respected




my "vendetta" against town stems from his support of evil


but hey, let's ask him


town - do you think the supreme court made the right decision on OBERGEFELL?

yes or no?

It isn't supporting evil to know what it means to uphold the law. You'll need to go farther back than Town to those who made the laws in this country to begin with, and those who amended the laws. If what the court has decided is within the law then it's right under the law.

Anyway, do you actually think a law, corrupt or otherwise, can make people righteous? God's law doesn't even do that. Your argument isn't with Town at all, it's with your misunderstanding of what the law can and cannot do.

 

[bybee]

It isn't supporting evil to know what it means to uphold the law. You'll need to go farther back than Town to those who made the laws in this country to begin with, and those who amended the laws. If what the court has decided is within the law then it's right under the law.

Anyway, do you actually think a law, corrupt or otherwise, can make people righteous? God's law doesn't even do that. Your argument isn't with Town at all, it's with your misunderstanding of what the law can and cannot do.

Amen Dearie, well said!