Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 4

[TracerBullet]

What is the point of this thread?

This Thread is a clearing house for fake research and the propaganda of hate groups.

Recently It has been expanded to include the promotion and celebration of child abuse at the hands of ex-gay "therapists"

 

[TracerBullet]

I am a Conservative Christian Libertarian. I don't think that the government should arrest people for victimless crimes, however.



I'd focus on protecting our rights by using the Constitution and praying that God will keep his people safe. America is no longer a Christian nation and for the foreseeable future we will be fighting for our First Amendment rights.

The United States was never a Christian nation. The founders of the country went to great lengths to not have a state religion.

I think that homosexuality should be handled by the church, not the state.

Handled?

Thinking of bringing back the inquisition?

But even if I thought it was the state's job, Christians don't even have political power in the US so it's a pointless hypothetical scenario. Most of the world is hostile to True Christianity with a few exceptions like Southern Africa.

We need to recognize that the odds are not in our favor, but with God anything is possible. We should force the LGBT lobby to expend great amounts of time and energy at every possible opportunity and hope that they make a mistake. We need to be examples of love in contrast to the hate emanating from the rainbow flag wavers.

your post makes it clear just which side is the one doing hte hating.

We can't really do much else at this point. Organizations like Massresistance put up a valiant effort in the United States have done a great job in warning people in other countries about what happened in Massachusetts. They will probably be a major player in the fight for religious liberty in the next few decades.

Se my above not about fakery from hate groups

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
A couple of things:

1). There is only one kind of Christian, i.e. someone that follows the teachings of God as seen in Holy Scripture, i.e. they conserve His values:
conserve: to use or manage wisely; preserve; save

2). If you're a Christian why the need to add the term "Libertarian" onto it?

I was pointing out that I am a Christian and I am also a Libertarian.

Tell me what the core values of Libertarian doctrine are (avoid subjective words like "liberty" and "freedom") and then I'll tell you why you can't be both a Christian and a Libertarian (I'm giving Lexington'96 the proverbial rope to hang himself with).

I'm also bilingual, under 6 foot, and live in a rural area. None of those things prevent me from being a Christian though.

And none of those things involve immoral ideology (which Libertarianism is).


Quote: Originally posted by a CultureWarrior
A righteous government (which we pretty much had up until a few decades ago) wouldn't make something a crime unless there are victims. We've seen the victims that come with the homosexual movement (children, families, invaluable institutions), and the people themselves that partake in the abominable act (disease, misery and death).

Are you saying that our government has only been unrighteous for the last few decades?

While injustices occurred in the past due to things like race relations, the nucleus of society (the traditional family) had always been strong in our nation until we legalized things like adultery, abortion, pornography, cohabitation and now homosexuality.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Of course you Libertarians don't think that a person can be a victim of their own actions (so much for Jesus' 2nd greatest commandment).

I've smoked before, does that mean I should go to jail because I was harming myself.

And my latest late night gorge fest involves garlic potato chips and clam dip (which isn't helping my cholesterol), but unlike homosexuality, neither are inherently immoral.

When we support inherently immoral legislation by civil government (abortion, homosexuality, adultery, recreational drug use, etc.), we're are "accessories to the crime".


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
But it really doesn't matter what you and your fellow Libertarians "think", it all comes down to what the proper role of government is and the basis of that role (where it comes from).

A Christian acknowledges that it comes from the Bible, such as in Romans 13:4.

Where does the New Testament give us instructions for what to do when Christians become a majority in a country?

Majority or not, the righteous role of government is seen in verses like Romans 13:4. If you believe that government should have a different foundational role, then let's hear it.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Where in the Constitution does it say that sexually confused people have a right to sodomize one another? Refer to the index under the Founding Fathers to see what they thought about the act of homosexuality. Needless to say, their original intent wasn't to give sexual deviants and people with an immoral agenda "constitutional rights".

Where did I say the Constitution guarantees that?

It doesn't, so there is no "right" to immoral behavior in our founding documents nor given to mankind by God.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Which church, the numerous ones that are performing homosexual weddings?

The true Church. False teaching has existed long before gay marriage was invented.

Which denomination is that? My point is this: How do you pull a country out of moral decay when the Church has been permeated by sexual deviants hell bent on redefining Scripture?


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Besides, it's not the role of the Church to legislate laws (unless you want to live in a Muslim theocracy).

Each institution that God ordained for the governance of man has it's own role (the Church, the Family and Civil Government) and civil government's role is to legislate righteous laws as seen through God's Eyes.

Where in the New Testament are we given instructions for what laws to pass?

Passing laws against sexual sins is a no brainer.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
When people like you who call themselves "Christian" harp about government staying out of areas where there are no "victims" it certainly doesn't help the cause to restore decency in America.

We don't need to arrest smokers to teach people that smoking is bad.

You Libertarians kill me, downplaying sexual perversions like homosexuality by comparing it with tobacco use.

Again, smoking a cigarette or a cigar is not inherently immoral.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I had forgotten how out of touch you Libertarians are with reality. Since the African National Congress took control of South Africa, the LGBTQ movement is flourishing.

I love how you chose the one country that was the exception. The majority of South Africans, from what I understand, don't support homosexuality. It was imposed by their Supreme Court.

Refer to my statement about Uganda below.

Also, South Africa is not the only country in Southern Africa.

Then be more specific. If you want to talk about Uganda, it's a strong Christian country in Africa that has criminalized homosexuality.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Decide which side you're on: God's and what the righteous role of government is, or secular humanist's man's.

Many of the answers to the problems in today's society are in the title to my 4 part thread:

"Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!"

It's not going to happen. It's like going to Iran and yelling "criminalize Islam."

Work on your analogies.

Don't get me wrong, this thread wasn't written for moral relativist Libertarians. We who stand for decency will get the job done without you.

Your major concern right now should be when you meet God on your judgment day and what do say to Him when He asks you:

"Why didn't you love Me with all of your heart, soul and mind, and why didn't you love your neighbor as you loved yourself?"

 

[aCultureWarrior]

you republish a lot of very stupid (and false) material but this has got to be in top 10.

Homosexuals are going to rape Kim Davis?????

:rotfl:

Yeah, I think Ted Shoebat had his words confused:

Those kind, loving and ever so tolerant homosexuals that have been so supportive of religious freedom are going to tie Kim Davis up and make her watch while they rape her husband.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Women's public rest rooms have toilets right out in the open like that?

I suppose I could say that the LGBTQueer movement has made our society one huge toilet, but that would fall on deaf ears.

 

[Lexington'96]

The United States was never a Christian nation. The founders of the country went to great lengths to not have a state religion.

America has traditionally been a nation guided by Christian values that the majority of people held.

Handled?

Thinking of bringing back the inquisition?

No, what I was saying is that the church should handle moral issues, not the state.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TracerBullet
The United States was never a Christian nation. The founders of the country went to great lengths to not have a state religion.

America has traditionally been a nation guided by Christian values that the majority of people held.

And up until a few decades ago, righteous (Judeo/Christian) laws.

Quote: Originally posted by TracerBullet
Handled?

Thinking of bringing back the inquisition?

No, what I was saying is that the church should handle moral issues, not the state.

When is TracerBullet going to get it through his head that you Libertarians are the best thing that has happened to the LGBTQueer movement?

Sure, you disagree on a few things, but when it comes right down to it you're on the same side when it comes to immoral government legislation.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Has being gay still not been re-criminalized yet? Your thread really isn't having much of an impact aCW...

 

[Lexington'96]

Tell me what the core values of Libertarian doctrine are (avoid subjective words like "liberty" and "freedom") and then I'll tell you why you can't be both a Christian and a Libertarian (I'm giving Lexington'96 the proverbial rope to hang himself with).

Libertarianism is an ideology that seeks to increase personal liberty.

And none of those things involve immoral ideology (which Libertarianism is).

I guess I missed the part in the Bible where it said you can't be a libertarian.

While injustices occurred in the past due to things like race relations, the nucleus of society (the traditional family) had always been strong in our nation until we legalized things like adultery, abortion, pornography, cohabitation and now homosexuality.

The family is very different than the government.

And my latest late night gorge fest involves garlic potato chips and clam dip (which isn't helping my cholesterol), but unlike homosexuality, neither are inherently immoral.

When we support inherently immoral legislation by civil government (abortion, homosexuality, adultery, recreational drug use, etc.), we're are "accessories to the crime".

Why don't we arrest people for being drunk then? Also, back on the subject of smoking, why don't we arrest smokers to protect children from second hand smoke?

Majority or not, the righteous role of government is seen in verses like Romans 13:4. If you believe that government should have a different foundational role, then let's hear it.

That verse is saying that God put the governing authorities in place so obey them.

It doesn't, so there is no "right" to immoral behavior in our founding documents nor given to mankind by God.

No where in the Constitution does it say that it should be illegal.

Which denomination is that? My point is this: How do you pull a country out of moral decay when the Church has been permeated by sexual deviants hell bent on redefining Scripture?

There has always been heresy and false teaching. The true believers will continue on despite this.

Passing laws against sexual sins is a no brainer.

Then why didn't God tell us to do that?

You Libertarians kill me, downplaying sexual perversions like homosexuality by comparing it with tobacco use.

Again, smoking a cigarette or a cigar is not inherently immoral.

But we don't even arrest addicts.

Refer to my statement about Uganda below.



Then be more specific. If you want to talk about Uganda, it's a strong Christian country in Africa that has criminalized homosexuality.

Ever hear of a place called Poland? They never criminalized sodomy and that country is still very socially conservative.

Work on your analogies.

Don't get me wrong, this thread wasn't written for moral relativist Libertarians. We who stand for decency will get the job done without you.

No, you won't. We might not even be allowed to have this conversation in a decade or two. Christians are losing in the Western World and nothing you or I do can reverse this trend.

Your major concern right now should be when you meet God on your judgment day and what do say to Him when He asks you:

"Why didn't you love Me with all of your heart, soul and mind, and why didn't you love your neighbor as you loved yourself?"

You are one of the most self-righteous people I have seen on the internet.

 

[Lexington'96]

When is TracerBullet going to get it through his head that you Libertarians are the best thing that has happened to the LGBTQueer movement?

Sure, you disagree on a few things, but when it comes right down to it you're on the same side when it comes to immoral government legislation.

Libertarianism has not had any major impact on US policy for over eighty years.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Has being gay still not been re-criminalized yet? Your thread really isn't having much of an impact aCW...

Our society is seeing the direct results of decriminalizing homosexuality (parents losing rights to help their sexually/gender confused child, religious freedom being flushed down the toilet, diseases running rampant amongst those who engage in homosexuality, etc. etc.), I'm just pointing these things out hoping that people will wakeup and do something about it.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
When is TracerBullet going to get it through his head that you Libertarians are the best thing that has happened to the LGBTQueer movement?

Sure, you disagree on a few things, but when it comes right down to it you're on the same side when it comes to immoral government legislation.

Libertarianism has not had any major impact on US policy for over eighty years.

(Said the fox as he stood outside eyeballing the chickens in the henhouse).

The Libertarian mindset of "It's MY body and I can damn well do with it as I please!" (i.e. the "right to privacy") has been behind every major ruling from Roe v Wade to Lawrence v Texas to Obergefell v Hodges.

 

[aikido7]

Anti-gay bigots always focus on what they believe the Bible says about homosexuality instead of learning what it actually says.

The word "homosexuality" is not in the text. To be accurate, the word did not enter the language until the early 1940s. But bigots don't want to focus on evidence, facts and data. Their agenda is not truth but cruelty to others.

I can easily paraphrase what the actual, honest-to-God New Testament REALLY says about homosexuality as follows:

--If homosexuality is exploitive, then it is wrong;

--If homosexuality is rooted in idolatry, then it is wrong;

--If homosexuality represents a denial of one’s own true nature, then it is wrong;

--If homosexuality is an expression of insatiable lust, then it is wrong.

But we could say exactly the same thing about heterosexuality, couldn’t we?

 

[Lexington'96]

(Said the fox as he stood outside eyeballing the chickens in the henhouse).

The Libertarian mindset of "It's MY body and I can damn well do with it as I please!" (i.e. the "right to privacy") has been behind every major ruling from Roe v Wade to Lawrence v Texas to Obergefell v Hodges.

Libertarianism is not pro-abortion. I support enforcing laws against murder. I don't support government licensing marriage, but if they're going to do it, they should only license real marriages. See, I'm not even pro-abortion or pro-SSM. Stop misrepresenting my position.

 

[aikido7]

Libertarianism is not pro-abortion. I support enforcing laws against murder. I don't support government licensing marriage, but if they're going to do it, they should only license real marriages. See, I'm not even pro-abortion or pro-SSM. Stop misrepresenting my position.

You might not want to admit it, but you yourself are misrepresenting the libertarians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

Liberty is its primary objective.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Tell me what the core values of Libertarian doctrine are (avoid subjective words like "liberty" and "freedom") and then I'll tell you why you can't be both a Christian and a Libertarian (I'm giving Lexington'96 the proverbial rope to hang himself with).

Libertarianism is an ideology that seeks to increase personal liberty.

Here, let me help:

"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others."
http://www.lp.org/platform

Can you see where that is a direct conflict with Judeo/Christian doctrine?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
And none of those things involve immoral ideology (which Libertarianism is).

I guess I missed the part in the Bible where it said you can't be a libertarian.

When you're able to define what Libertarianism is (without using subjective words like "liberty" and "freedom"), I'll tell you what part of the Bible (and there are many) that speaks against your fraudulent ideology and movement.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
While injustices occurred in the past due to things like race relations, the nucleus of society (the traditional family) had always been strong in our nation until we legalized things like adultery, abortion, pornography, cohabitation and now homosexuality.

The family is very different than the government.

Yet extremely similar in many aspects. The main similarity is that they both govern out of love.


Quote: Originally posted a CultureWarrior
And my latest late night gorge fest involves garlic potato chips and clam dip (which isn't helping my cholesterol), but unlike homosexuality, neither are inherently immoral.

When we support inherently immoral legislation by civil government (abortion, homosexuality, adultery, recreational drug use, etc.), we're are "accessories to the crime".

Why don't we arrest people for being drunk then?

Public intoxication laws (like other laws that help morally confused people) are a thing of the past.

Also, back on the subject of smoking, why don't we arrest smokers to protect children from second hand smoke?

(Note how Libertarians want to talk about anything other than homosexuality).

I'm not going disrespect God by allowing you moral relativists to turn a thread about homosexuality and the things it's done since decriminalization (loss of parental rights, loss of religious freedom, diseases running rampant amongst homosexuals, etc.) into a thread about the harms of tobacco use.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Majority or not, the righteous role of government is seen in verses like Romans 13:4. If you believe that government should have a different foundational role, then let's hear it.

That verse is saying that God put the governing authorities in place so obey them.

And they (government officials) are to obey Him (i.e. government is to legislate righteously as seen through the Eyes of God).

I guess I missed if you believe that government should have a different foundational role from that as seen in Romans 13:4.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
It doesn't, so there is no "right" to immoral behavior in our founding documents nor given to mankind by God.

No where in the Constitution does it say that it should be illegal.

Nor murder or rape or armed robbery. Hey, if the Constitution doesn't say anything about those things, let's party!


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Which denomination is that? My point is this: How do you pull a country out of moral decay when the Church has been permeated by sexual deviants hell bent on redefining Scripture?

There has always been heresy and false teaching. The true believers will continue on despite this.

Hidden behind closed doors. So much for religious freedom.

Quote: Originally posted by a CultureWarrior
Passing laws against sexual sins is a no brainer.

Then why didn't God tell us to do that?

The Bible is full of passages and verses talking about the role of government as well as the harm that sexual sin does to individuals and to society. You really should pick that book up sometime and read it instead of the Libertarian manual on "freedom and liberty!"


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
You Libertarians kill me, downplaying sexual perversions like homosexuality by comparing it with tobacco use.

Again, smoking a cigarette or a cigar is not inherently immoral.

But we don't even arrest addicts.

Drug addicts?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Refer to my statement about Uganda below.

Then be more specific. If you want to talk about Uganda, it's a strong Christian country in Africa that has criminalized homosexuality.

Ever hear of a place called Poland? They never criminalized sodomy and that country is still very socially conservative.

I wasn't aware that buggery is a social conservative value.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Work on your analogies.

Don't get me wrong, this thread wasn't written for moral relativist Libertarians. We who stand for decency will get the job done without you.

No, you won't. We might not even be allowed to have this conversation in a decade or two.

Keep playing the Libertarian card kid and you'll be safe.

Christians are losing in the Western World and nothing you or I do can reverse this trend.

You've made it well known that you have no intentions of doing anything about it.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Your major concern right now should be when you meet God on your judgment day and what do say to Him when He asks you:

"Why didn't you love Me with all of your heart, soul and mind, and why didn't you love your neighbor as you loved yourself?"

You are one of the most self-righteous people I have seen on the internet.

The next time you run into your fellow Libertarian drbrumley, tell him he owes me a response to his article by one of his Libertarian bosses lambasting Kim Davis that I responded to.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4436972&postcount=358

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Anti-gay bigots always focus on what they believe the Bible says about homosexuality instead of learning what it actually says.

Welcome back to the WHMBR! threads aikido7. Fill us in on what you've been doing since the last time you graced us with your moral relativist presence:

How many homosexual 'weddings' have you attended?

How many homosexual funerals have you attended?

How many HRC/GLSEN/GLAAD meetings have you attended and what is new when it comes to the homosexual agenda?

I look to people like you to keep me informed aikido7, so don't let me down.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Our society is seeing the direct results of decriminalizing homosexuality (parents losing rights to help their sexually/gender confused child, religious freedom being flushed down the toilet, diseases running rampant amongst those who engage in homosexuality, etc. etc.), I'm just pointing these things out hoping that people will wakeup and do something about it.

Eh, you're like some patriarchal misogynist who gets his beard ruffled by women being allowed to vote and have careers...:shocked:

How about a 'Why heterosexual cohabitation must be re-criminalized' thread as a 'sister' to this one?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
(Said the fox as he stood outside eyeballing the chickens in the henhouse).

The Libertarian mindset of "It's MY body and I can damn well do with it as I please!" (i.e. the "right to privacy") has been behind every major ruling from Roe v Wade to Lawrence v Texas to Obergefell v Hodges.

Libertarianism is not pro-abortion. I support enforcing laws against murder. I don't support government licensing marriage, but if they're going to do it, they should only license real marriages. See, I'm not even pro-abortion or pro-SSM. Stop misrepresenting my position.

Paraphrasing the words of secular humanist/pagan Rusha (aka Sandy)

"Then you're not a real Libertarian".

When you're able to define what Libertarianism is (without using subjective words like "liberty and freedom") then we'll talk.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Our society is seeing the direct results of decriminalizing homosexuality (parents losing rights to help their sexually/gender confused child, religious freedom being flushed down the toilet, diseases running rampant amongst those who engage in homosexuality, etc. etc.), I'm just pointing these things out hoping that people will wakeup and do something about it.

Eh, you're like some patriarchal misogynist who gets his beard ruffled by women being allowed to vote and have careers...:shocked:

I couldn't imagine life without these wonderful conservative women* in the political arena Art.

*Ex out Fox News' Megan Kelly, as she's a liberal wolf hiding in conservative sheep's clothing (refer to "people profile" in the index on page 1 to learn about Megan Kelly).

How about a 'Why heterosexual cohabitation must be re-criminalized' thread as a 'sister' to this one?

I talked about laws that were overturned by the sexual anarchist movement already Art. And yes, laws against cohabitation , adultery, no fault divorce, all need to be recriminalized as they're done extreme harm to the nucleus of society:

the traditional family.