Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
That's right, the cult of the week is Christian theonomy (If the Bible doesn't specifically say that driving an 18 wheeler down the interstate at 90 mph while high on crack cocaine should be criminalized, then it should be legal).

Since you (allegedly) left the Christian Libertarian cult behind, why don't you share with a couple of TOL'ers who continue to follow the cult (drbrumley and Lexington) as to why you left?

Its not a "cult", and you calling both it and theonomy cults proves that you don't know what you're talking about.

Yet you refuse to talk about either of the cults movements that you identify with.

I've discussed this with Lexington at one point. It went fine. We disagreed. Its fine.

Thanks, I'll sleep better tonight knowing that.

But I'm way closer to libertarianism than what you believe,...

Of course you are, Paulbots don't leave their loony tune cult without first going through some major deprogramming.

 

[Quetzal]

Why should "gay people" have equal rights?

Where does your "right" to engage in homosexual sex come from?

This is the worst argument I have seen on this forum. You are trying to come off with a deep, philosophical argument that has more holes than a piece of swiss cheese.

 

[Quetzal]

Ah, yes. The secular religion of America.

But, why are those things important? You have no reason, do you?



Good question.



Leviticus 20:13

So, you subscribe to every verse as a literal interpretation? Or just this one because it makes your lazy argument easier to defend?

 

[Rusha]

Ah, yes. The secular religion of America.

lain: No religion involved. BTW, you should really look into changing your username. You don't have a clue about what either of those words represent.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
That's right, the cult of the week is Christian theonomy (If the Bible doesn't specifically say that driving an 18 wheeler down the interstate at 90 mph while high on crack cocaine should be criminalized, then it should be legal).

Since you (allegedly) left the Christian Libertarian cult behind, why don't you share with a couple of TOL'ers who continue to follow the cult (drbrumley and Lexington) as to why you left?



Yet you refuse to talk about either of the cults movements that you identify with.



Thanks, I'll sleep better tonight knowing that.



Of course you are, Paulbots don't leave their loony tune cult without first going through some major deprogramming.

I changed my views on the abiding applicability of the judicial law that God gave Israel.

This is the worst argument I have seen on this forum. You are trying to come off with a deep, philosophical argument that has more holes than a piece of swiss cheese.

You have literally no moral basis on which to condemn me. Its purely arbitrary.

So, you subscribe to every verse as a literal interpretation? Or just this one because it makes your lazy argument easier to defend?

I subscribe to every verse, but no, not every verse is meant to be taken literally.

lain: No religion involved. BTW, you should really look into changing your username. You don't have a clue about what either of those words represent.

lol at the idea that you do understand.

I'm comfortable with it. God's Law is among the most free that has ever existed.

 

[Quetzal]

You have literally no moral basis on which to condemn me. Its purely arbitrary.

Incorrect, I do have a moral basis to condemn you on, but it is of my own personal experience. It is founded on equality and freedom for law abiding citizens who seek to better themselves and others. Interestingly, this has legal and social acceptance. As such, it is based on a system and promotes reason on two different levels. Therefore, it is not arbitrary. On those grounds, I morally condemn you because you stand against it.

I subscribe to every verse, but no, not every verse is meant to be taken literally.

In which case, I can only assume you cherry pick verses that support you. Quite selfish if I may say so.

 

[Arthur Brain]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Are you ready to admit that you have taken a side in this culture war and that the LGBTQueer movement is the side that you're on, and in your pathetic little way you are a homosexual activist?

You're a walking cliché. Lame, lame and lame again. Seriously, replace that cauliflower in your head and exchange it for a brain, preferably one that works...

And the worst part of the article for you obviously is that it was written by yet another EX homosexual.

The worst part of it was that it was a pile of crap. Sorry you didn't get that...

I'd ask you to stick around and chat Art, but you've got your message to get out to convince people that you like women (the same line you use in every TOL thread about homosexuality).

I could care less whether gormless little cretins like you are convinced or otherwise. The people who I care about and those who's opinions I respect know it so you carry on with your feeble innuendo that ironically points to you being in the closet.

Berk.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I don't think I'm intellectually superior. That's the issue.

The issue is that you see "tyranny" in this one particular area, over a law God commanded. Yet you don't see the tyranny in thousands of little laws that regulate every part of people's lives even in areas that are not moral in nature, or commanded by God.

The only freedom you care about is sexual perversion.

Oh yes you do. I've seen your posts where you think other people are too stupid in general to have the vote and whatnot so don't start playing bloody coy all of a sudden. If you think the freedom for homosexual people to have the right to have relations is the only one I care about then you have no clue whatsoever.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Incorrect, I do have a moral basis to condemn you on, but it is of my own personal experience.

And my personal experience disagrees with yours, so...

It is founded on equality and freedom for law abiding citizens who seek to better themselves and others. Interestingly, this has legal and social acceptance. As such, it is based on a system and promotes reason on two different levels. Therefore, it is not arbitrary. On those grounds, I morally condemn you because you stand against it.

"law abiding." Even if I accept this, you have no objection to me trying to change the laws to ban homosexual contact. Nor do you have any basis, based on this, to oppose any law in any situation ever.

In which case, I can only assume you cherry pick verses that support you. Quite selfish if I may say so.

lol.

 

[Quetzal]

And my personal experience disagrees with yours, so...

The difference between mine and yours is that mine is liberating while yours is oppression. Rather ironic given your avatar and nickname.

"law abiding." Even if I accept this, you have no objection to me trying to change the laws to ban homosexual contact. Nor do you have any basis, based on this, to oppose any law in any situation ever.

lol.

Can you try that again without the fluff and contradictory rhetoric?

 

[Jedidiah]

The difference between mine and yours is that mine is liberating while yours is oppression...

Mine is completely liberating and liberated.​

...Rather ironic given your avatar and nickname.


Can you try that again without the fluff and contradictory rhetoric?

 

[Christian Liberty]

Oh yes you do. I've seen your posts where you think other people are too stupid in general to have the vote and whatnot so don't start playing bloody coy all of a sudden. If you think the freedom for homosexual people to have the right to have relations is the only one I care about then you have no clue whatsoever.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner.

 

[Quetzal]

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner.

Same could be said if there were three sheep instead of one.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner.

Why did you leave out the aardvark?

 

[annabenedetti]

The following is a long read, but very, very informative. Here are a few excerpts, but reading the entire paper is well worth the time.

Facts about Homosexuality and Child Molestation

One individual has claimed to have data that prove homosexuals to be child molesters at a higher rate than heterosexuals. That person is Paul Cameron. As detailed elsewhere on this site, Cameron's survey data are subject to so many methodological flaws as to be virtually meaningless. Even so, his assertions are sometimes quoted by antigay organizations in their attempts to link homosexuality with child sexual abuse. . .

Reflecting the results of these and other studies, as well as clinical experience, the mainstream view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child sexual abuse is that homosexual and bisexual men do not pose any special threat to children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote: Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).​ In a later literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) similarly cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women" (p. 259). This well known lack of a linkage between homosexuality and child molestation accounts for why relatively little research has directly addressed the issue. For example, a 1998 comprehensive review of published empirical research on the sexual abuse of boys reported only one study (the 1994 study by Jenny and colleagues, cited above) that included data about the self-reported sexual orientation of perpetrators (Holmes & Slap, 1998). Proving something that is already widely known simply isn't a priority for scientists. Indeed, a commentary that accompanied publication of the study by Jenny et al. in Pediatrics noted that debates about gay people as molesters "have little to do with everyday child abuse" and lamented that they distract lawmakers and the public from dealing with the real problem of children's sexual mistreatment (Krugman, 1994). . .

Conclusion The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
That's right, the cult of the week is Christian theonomy (If the Bible doesn't specifically say that driving an 18 wheeler down the interstate at 90 mph while high on crack cocaine should be criminalized, then it should be legal).

I changed my views on the abiding applicability of the judicial law that God gave Israel.

Whatever that means.

Remember that God has always had universal moral laws that never change (sexual sins fit into that category).

 

[aCultureWarrior]

The following is a long read, but very, very informative. Here are a few excerpts, but reading the entire paper is well worth the time.

Facts about Homosexuality and Child Molestation

One individual has claimed to have data that prove homosexuals to be child molesters at a higher rate than heterosexuals....

Welcome back to the thread anna and thank you for sharing an article by openly homosexual psychologist and activist Professor Gregory Herek (TracerBullet used an article by Herek earlier in this thread when we were talking about the early demise of those who engage in homosex. It didn't take much research for expose Herek) : http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3949717&postcount=391 http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3957346&postcount=426 Openly homosexual psychologist and activist Professor Gregory Herek Regarding who molests children more: 98-99% of the population who identify themselves as heterosexual, or 1-2% of the population who identify themselves as homosexual? We'll see when we get to the segment on homosexual pedophilia and pederasty. That being said: It's been well established throughout this 3 part thread that the LGBTQueer movement is organized when it comes to indoctrinating, grooming and often times physically molesting youth (be it sexually confused youth or gender confused ones), and that many if not every homosexual 'icon' has been a pedophile /pederast or spoke in favor of it (Harry Hay, Frank Kameny, Harvey Milk, Dan Savage), not to mention that NAMBLA and the UK's P.I.E. were founded by homosexual activists. From page 4, post #57: Linda Harvey's 12 Ways Homosexual Adults Endanger Children 1. Adults proudly living a homosexual life are disastrous role models. That lesbian teacher may be a personable expert in her subject, but her immoral lifestyle may mislead children... 2. Children living a home headed by homosexual adults are exposed to the same poor examples in triple intensity and intimacy. Same -sex- coupled parents live a huge lie, deceiving themselves and the children, because they were not “born this way,” this is not “marriage,” and they are in all probability engaging in physically risky behavior... 3. Transvestite men or “drag king” women are deeply disturbing to children. Gender confusion is deep delusion, denying the obvious while constructing a complicated pretense... 4. Students are sometimes blank slates for the indoctrination plans of homosexual political activists, teachers and others. These innocent minds are taught to affirm sexual perversion, but often in concert with the entire platform of destructive, leftist causes. GLSEN... 5. Now to the dynamite question: yes, some homosexually-identified adults do have sex with underage teens and even children. What percentage of openly “LGBT” adults do this is anyone’s guess... 6. Exposure of kids to pornographic material is fine with these folks. It’s “censorship” if we don’t allow children to explore textual and visual pornography that steals their innocence and seduces some into an early sexual debut... 7. Children quickly learn from homosexual adults that Christians are the “enemy.” Much effort is devoted to smearing and demonizing believers, who form the main obstacle to unrestricted sexual license... 8. Despite health risks that are well documented by the Centers for Disease Control and other agencies, children seldom hear the whole story in public schools or anywhere else and in fact, are often deliberately misled... 9. Parental rights are mocked and dismissed by the adult leaders of the homosexual lobby. The founder of GLSEN, Kevin Jennings, famously said, regarding conservative objections to the promotion of homosexuality to kids,... 10. The real experiences of ex-homosexuals are deliberately withheld from students. Talk about the subject of “LGBT” issues as much as possible with teens, but when this angle comes up, there’s immediate scoffing and censorship. Children are quickly told to never take seriously the possibility of change, and to back this up, laws have been passed in California and New Jersey to prevent counselors from helping teens change homosexual feelings... 11. By demonizing conservative views, “gay” activists mount a wall preventing many kids from hearing the whole story. Homosexuals use the cyberspace environment to try to destroy those who tell children and their parents the truth. The Southern Poverty Law Center has named as “hate groups” many responsible, pro-family Christian groups trying to sound the alarm about child-homosexual interactions... 12. By early corruption, homosexuals may put a stumbling block in the way of eternal salvation for many children, one that is often difficult to overcome... http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3924979&postcount=57 Mission America's Linda Harvey

 

[annabenedetti]

Welcome back to the thread anna and thank you for sharing an article by openly homosexual psychologist and activist Professor Gregory Herek

You're welcome, although I provided the link for thinking people to read, so it actually wasn't meant for you.


And I won't be staying, this is the last post I'll be making in your sorry thread.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Welcome back to the thread anna and thank you for sharing an article by openly homosexual psychologist and activist Professor Gregory Herek

You're welcome, although I provided the link for thinking people to read, so it actually wasn't meant for you.

Hence the reason I exposed Herek for what he is:

An unapologetic homosexual activist.

(From his own blog)

Gregory M. Herek, Ph.D.
Biographical Sketch
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/bio.html

And I won't be staying, this is the last post I'll be making in your sorry thread.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
That's right, the cult of the week is Christian theonomy (If the Bible doesn't specifically say that driving an 18 wheeler down the interstate at 90 mph while high on crack cocaine should be criminalized, then it should be legal).



Whatever that means.

Remember that God has always had universal moral laws that never change (sexual sins fit into that category).

Duh. The change wasn't on the morality of the issue, but rather, the belief that the OT law should still be in place.