do you believe Jesus is God?
ECT why don't you say the Our Father?
- Thread starter chrysostom
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do you believe Jesus is God?
No. I hold to the theological metaphor that he is the Son of God. And I respect and take very seriously the faith claims to the effect that Jesus is actually God.
But it does not resonate with me. Jesus is the incarnation of God on earth. But he is not God. His life and death point to God's character, however.
Just my opinion. I don't know for sure because I wasn't there. The only information I have is in the New Testament. Just like every other Christian believer.
thanks for a clear answer
and
that explains a lot
I don't see how you can make sense of all this
if
you don't believe Jesus is God
so
don't be surprised we can't understand your position
it will never make sense to us
if
you don't believe Jesus is God
turbosixx
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It's not in the bible.
CREED noun
3. an authoritative, formulated statement of the chief articles of Christian belief, as the Apostles' Creed, the Nicene Creed, or the Athanasian Creed.
That is something man has put together. If God wanted me to say the "apostles' creed" it would have been formulated in scripture.
I'm not sure where it came from what you do with it because the bible doesn't tell me anything about it. I assume it's just another repetitive chant.
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God's Truth
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John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.
You are badly mistaken and deny the Truth.
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How do you call yourself a Christian if you do not obey what the Lord's Prayer says?
turbosixx
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I see what your saying, but his mission wasn't complete when Peter said this. Yes, he chose to be the Messiah but until he offered himself as the blood sacrifice, he was a man?
Heb. 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know- 23 this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.......32 This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. 33Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God,........36Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified."
If that doesn't make sense, then help me to understand why he needed to die if he was Lord and Christ before his D,B and R.
turbosixx
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I agree we are Christ's kingdom and we are seated with him while we are living on this earth.
God's Truth
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Of course, his mission was not complete until he died on the cross.
What do you mean he chose to be the Messiah?
Don't you believe that Jesus came from heaven?
Don't you believe that Jesus is God come in the flesh as a Son of Man?
How do you think he did not need to die then?
Do you understand about the blood covenant?
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Amen.
turbosixx
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Then who made him do it?
Yes
Yes
If he was mans savior before his D,B &R, then why did he need to die?
Yes
God's Truth
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Jesus is God come as a Son of Man. God choose to come as a Son of Man, and God as the Man Jesus chose to die for the sins of the world.
Jesus had to die to reconcile us to God.
The shedding of blood is how we have forgiveness of sins and when the Spirit of God lives in our heart.
turbosixx
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I agree with all of that.
God's Truth
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Those are words I do not hear very much here. Glad when I hear it.
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There is never ever a wrong or bad time to obey Jesus.
Obeying Jesus is how we come to know Jesus.
Think about it harder.
turbosixx
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We can do nothing?
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People think we are saved by having faith and that it has nothing to do with obeying Jesus. People think that because they were taught wrong. Paul is misunderstood as saying faith and nothing...when Paul was speaking about our being cleaned by Jesus' blood is by faith and nothing else such as circumcision.
We have to obey Jesus to be saved and to stay saved.
We have to obey Jesus to be saved and to stay saved.
turbosixx
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I agree with all of that.
Where they are mistaken, is that Paul was speaking about a specific set of works. That's why he says "works of the law", it's not works in general. If people will honesty look at the context it's clear Paul is talking about works of the Mosaical law which did not have a provision to save.
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The Jews used to have to make themselves clean on their own.
They would make themselves clean by doing a list of works.
These are the works that the Jews had to do to make themselves clean, righteous, and justified before God:
The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.
No one has to do those works to clean themselves anymore...all we have to do is have faith, believe that Jesus' blood cleans us.
As always, we still have to obey God.
Right; for obeying God is what saves, even when God says get circumcised, and sacrifice animals.
Obeying God saves us, and God tells us we no longer have to work at cleaning ourselves because Jesus now does that for us.