When does the biblical day begin?

[clefty]

He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then he took it down, wrapped it in a linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut out of the rock where no one had yet been buried.

It was the day of preparation and the Sabbath was beginning. (Luke 23:52-54 NET)​

And there you have it. The Sabbath began as Jesus was laid in the tomb.

The weekly Sabbath was beginning and arrived at dawn...the passover Sabbath began that evening...kinda like the day of atonement begins the evening of the 9th which well is redundant if all days begin in the evening...but since they dont day of atonement adds to it the night time portion of the 9th...

 

[clefty]

Actually that is foretold right there in Exodus 14 where day turns to night and the Sea of Reeds is parted. But of course you would need to be at the other end of the week to see how it completes Pesakh-Matzot.

What in Exodus 14?

"Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever"

Today means today and the sun went down they crossed that night and by morning watch as morning was appearing the water covered the Egyptians...

He did accomplish it that day...not the next day when the sun went down...

 

[clefty]

The day turned into darkness because around that time the volcanic Island of Santorini or Thira as it is also known, which was situated in the Aegean sea, on the Anatolian plate, which is subject to the forces of the over-riding African Plate that grinds against the Arabian plate in it’s Northern migration, exploded with many times the force of Krakatoa, which was a volcanic island that exploded in 1883, and that explosion was heard 5,000 kilometres away, and caused a tsunami that killed at least 36,000 people. It has been estimated that when the island of Santorini exploded, 35,000 kilometres of material was lifted into the stratosphere, and that the explosive force would have created tidal waves of anything up to 130ft high which would have travelled at speeds of around 150 miles per hour.

A cloud, that turned day into night around 1,500 BC, has been recorded in Chinese history, and would have covered all of north Africa.

The African and Arabian plates intersect in a line that runs through the Red Sea and up the Jordan valley through the Dead Sea, which was created hundreds of years before the explosion of Santorini, when violent underground activity destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, which were then situated in the Jordan valley and in the days of Lot, that area was described, as like unto the garden of the Lord, with abundant fresh water flowing through it.

Look at the strange phenomenon that was occurring at the time of the Exodus. The cloud that blanketed north Africa and most of Europe, and turned day into a night so dark that a man was not able to recognise his own brother who was standing at arms length from him. The rain of sulfuric acid that caused so much crop failure and the death of the live stock which were forced to feed on the polluted pastures, the following series of shock waves along the great rift valley and the fractures in the Sini peninsular which is situated on the Arabian plate, the bulging of the earth’s crust beneath the Red Sea which caused a highway to rise from the waters, with it’s following tremor when it collapsed and tidal waves that rolled in like two walls of water on either side of where the highway had been.

Wisdom of Solomon 19: 7-8, ‘Then was beheld the cloud that shadowed the camp, and dry land rising up out of what was before water, Out of the Red sea an unhindered highway, and a grassy plain rising out of the violent surge.”

Look even where the Israelites camped on the shore of the Red sea, which was smack bang in the middle of a major coal field in Egypt. The bulging earth rising from the surging sea before them, pressurised gas screaming from the opening fissures creating towering pillars of fire to burn behind them, a strong east wind blew all that night causing the thick smoke to blind the pursuing Egyptians while lighting up the camp of the Israelites on the eastern side of those wild fires.

All these events were caused from pressures that had been built up over tens of thousands of years and would have occurred in their proper time, irrelevant of the Israeli situation. Where the miracle lay, was in the fact that an unseen deity was able, through his prophet Moses, to organise the events leading up to and including the exodus itself at the precise time in history that this cataclysmic event occurred .

Solomon has much to say about the days of Moses; he speaks of the strange hails that fell from heaven. Burning balls of frozen gases, some with the ability to burn even in water, some which burned with a heat so intense that they incinerated anything they came in contact with, while other hail, burned with a cold fire through which animals could walk unharmed.

Different gases burn with different heat.

Solomon also speaks of the cloud that covered the Israelites in the desert and of the Manna that fell from heaven during the night. According to Solomon, the heavenly covering was a cloud by day and a host of stars by night, (a night sky ablaze with falling balls of burning hail stones). Then concerning the heavenly Manna, he says, “And that which was not injured by fire, simply warmed by a faint sun beam melted away.

Each morning the desert floor was covered with a film of a flaky cellulose substance, which looked like coriander seed, and would melt and breed worms and stink if left out in the sun, and yet could be preserved when cooked, and tasted like biscuits mixed with the purest of olive oils.

Carbohydrates are any of a group of chemical compounds, including sugars, starches, and cellulose, containing carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen only, with the ratio of hydrogen to oxygen atoms usually 2 : 1; of which there was an abundant supply up in the stratosphere.

Perhaps, if our scientists could simulate the same conditions that occurred in the stratosphere when the island of Thira exploded, they may come up with an inexpensive and environmentally friendly source of food production to feed the starving millions on the earth.

The early Egyptian magicians or scientists, were able to duplicate some of the miracles of God as performed by Moses. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if our magician/scientists of today were able to perform the more mysterious of God’s miracles as seen in the days of Moses, and provide an abundant and cheap source of food to feed the ever growing population on this earth.

As I have already said, all those things that happened in Egypt at that time, were caused from pressures that had built up over many, many, thousands of years. Where the miracle is found, is in the fact that some invisible entity from some higher time dimension, was able to instigate the Exodus, at the precise time that the destructive forces beneath the island of Santorini, were beginning to awake.

Lol...the miracle that the creator of the universe and everything in it had good timing...knew when to instigate the exodus...

 

[clefty]

So these words in "bold" have nothing to do with the Apostles eating the passover with the Lord Jesus?:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer...And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me" (Lk.22:7-15;Mk.14:18).​

What you wish to insert is because it is not there...



Take it up with the apostle John...

 

[clefty]

Good one Jerry.

Numbers 28: 16; The Passover Festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the 14th day of the first month.

Concerning the day of Passover, the Lord says in Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’*as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day)*for all time to come.

Numbers 28: 16; On the fifteenth day a religious festival begins which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first day of the seven day festival of unleavened bread, (The 15th day of Abib) you are to gather for worship and no work is to be done………………. On the last day (The 21st of Abib) you must meet for worship and do no work.

Numbers 33: 3; the people of Israel left Egypt on the 15th day of the first month of the year, the DAY AFTER the first Passover.

The Jews may have abandoned God’s one day festival of Passover, and incorporated it into their first of the seven day Festival of Unleavened Bread, but not Jesus. He kept it on the day commanded by the Lord, the evening of the 14 day of Abib.

There was no slaughtered lamb that night, because Jesus was the fulfilment of the sacrificial Lamb, and he offered his symbolic body to his disciples, Luke 22:19-20; 19*And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

20*In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

The fact that it was the Passover meal that he ate with his disciples, is verified, as you have said, in Luke 22: 15; where Jesus said to his disciples; “I have wanted so much to eat this Passover meal with you before I suffer, etc.

So no lamb but it was a Passover meal...with leavened bread and leavened wine or fruit of the vine?


What about them leaving the room before dawn...

 

[clefty]

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According to Matt 26:17-20, Mark 14:12-17, Luke 22:7-13, and Luke 22:14-16, Jesus ate his Passover dinner the night of his arrest.

According to John 13:1-2, John 18:28-29, and John 19:13-14, the Jews ate their own Passover dinner after Jesus was dead and buried.

Failure to discern the time difference between Jesus' Passover dinner and the Jews' Passover dinner invariably leads to unnecessary quarrelling and confusion.

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This Jesus' passover was without lamb? But with leavened bread and wine? Was allowed to go outside before morning?

You would thing it would be more elaborate this change of Passover...but less was written about change to occur from Sabbath to Sunday too...and yet

 

[clefty]

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POSIT: Certain women arrived at the cemetery before the sun came up and found Jesus gone. Therefore he must have risen from the dead Saturday night instead of Sunday morning at daybreak as some have proposed.

RESPONSE: Had Christ risen from the dead before sunrise Sunday morning, his recovery would have taken place during nighttime; but according to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24, Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4 his recovery did not take place at night; rather, during day.

how about at the end of the daylight portion of the Sabbath...there is your completed third day(light)

Below is a popular "proof text" among night-resurrection proponents.

● John 20:1 . . Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

But that isn't the only information we're given. There's more.

● Matt 28:1 . . After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

● Mark 16:2-3 . .Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other: Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?

● Luke 24:1 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

By combining Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John it's readily seen that the women left home as the sun was coming up, and by the time they arrived at the cemetery, it was full up. In other words: John doesn't say Magdalene arrived in the dark. His words "went to the tomb" indicate travel rather than arrival.

FY: We're talking about holy women here; not kooks. Normal women don't, as a rule, prowl graveyards at night. None I know anyway.

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Why think them kooks, they were returning to finish burying after the sabbath was past into the first of the sabbaths...also understood as weeks and seven weeks in count to Pentecost...

And come morning light into that first fruits day...they found the tomb empty...He rose the day before...

 

[clefty]

Sunset.

ummm...you do realize that sunset needs...well the sun...its light...you know to make it evening...diminishing light...

Light was created and called DAY not evening...and when it became evening it went into night...notice how it wasn't called the first day at that point...

Notice that? Day into evening...if you claim sunset begins a new day well there there it should end with "the first day"...but it doesnt read that...it reads evening AND morning-the first day...

So we have Light called DAY into evening...(NOTHING here now about FIRST DAY start of Second day)...continuing into night until morning and finally NOW-the first day...

Yes He does repeat it six times...

If evening starts the day...how did the first day start? THERE IS NO EVEVING it went from complete darkness over the waters to LIGHT...not diminishing evening light into night...it was complete darkness and NOT called Night...which follows diminishing light

Evening and morning=the day...

Genesis 1:5

 

[clefty]

I agree, but one person claims the holy Spirit made a mistake by claiming a day begins at evening. He says a day begins at dawn.

Presumptuous.

Follow Yah > man's traditions...

 

[jamie]

The weekly Sabbath was beginning and arrived at dawn...

Interesting. Are you saying Jesus was buried as a Sabbath began and the weekly Sabbath began at dawn?

I think I'm not following you.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Sure He intended to eat it but divine mission intervened...

So you must believe that the day when the Lord Jesus ate a meal with his Apostles was on the 14th. After all, if you are right that He intended to eat the passover with them then the day must have been the 14th. But then you turn around and say that the event was not the day of the passover because the passover was the next day:

After eating Judas gets up and the disciples all think he is to go buy something for the passover the next night... John 13:39

You can't even keep your story straight! At least you are good for a laugh every now and then.

 

[clefty]

So you must believe that the day when the Lord Jesus ate a meal with his Apostles was on the 14th. After all, if you are right that He intended to eat the passover with them then the day must have been the 14th. But then you turn around and say that the event was not the day of the passover because the passover was the next day:



You can't even keep your story straight! At least you are good for a laugh every now and then.

Lord's supper was not passover...the bread was leavened...

 

[jamie]

Follow Yah > man's traditions...

Did the holy Spirit claim days begin at evening?

It seems like you're saying days begin in the morning. The daylight portion begins at daybreak but that's after a 24-hour day began the prior evening at sunset.

Is that what you are saying?

 

[clefty]

Interesting. Are you saying Jesus was buried as a Sabbath began and the weekly Sabbath began at dawn?

I think I'm not following you.

He was buried as the annual Passover Sabbath began...lambs slaughtered that afternoon to be eaten after sundown...Passover at midnight...weekly Sabbath in the morning...these together made a High Sabbath

 

[clefty]

Did the holy Spirit claim days begin at evening?

It seems like you're saying days begin in the morning. The daylight portion begins at daybreak but that's after a 24-hour day began the prior evening at sunset.

Is that what you are saying?

Yes I am saying days (the 24 hours and daylight portion) begin in the morning...

Evening needs diminishing light...and that first day at evening the second day didnt start there did it?

Light was created as DAY...then the light diminished into evening then night into morning-the first day

This might help

http://discoveryupdate.com/article10.htm

 

[jamie]

This Jesus' passover was without lamb? But with leavened bread and wine? Was allowed to go outside before morning?

Yes, since Jesus knew he would die the next afternoon, circumstance forced him to observe the NT Passover on the day of preparation.

After his meal he and his friends sang a hymn and the went to Gethsemane where Jesus prayed he might be excused from any further activities. His request was denied and he was soon arrested.

This all happened on the preparation day, the day he died.

As he was buried the first day of Unleavened Bread began.

I see the Night to be Much Observed as the night of the NT Passover which means unleavened bread is required.

The Night to be Much Observed pictures coming out of Egypt, spiritual Egypt.

 

[clefty]

Yes, since Jesus knew he would die the next afternoon, circumstance forced him to observe the NT Passover on the day of preparation.

After his meal he and his friends sang a hymn and the went to Gethsemane where Jesus prayed he might be excused from any further activities. His request was denied and he was soon arrested.

This all happened on the preparation day, the day he died.

As he was buried the first day of Unleavened Bread began.

I see the Night to be Much Observed as the night of the NT Passover which means unleavened bread is required.

The Night to be Much Observed pictures coming out of Egypt, spiritual Egypt.

Well you have Him changing times and laws then and not a peep about passover being changed...He ate with leavened bread and wine...not very Passoverish is it?

Passover was to be celebrated by NOT going outside and singing hymns and/or buying stuff...

 

[jamie]

BTW, it is the holy Spirit who defined the 24-hour day as beginning at sunset. Keep in mind there were two evenings per day during the first century.

 

[steko]

Yes, since Jesus knew he would die the next afternoon, circumstance forced him to observe the NT Passover on the day of preparation.

After his meal he and his friends sang a hymn and the went to Gethsemane where Jesus prayed he might be excused from any further activities. His request was denied and he was soon arrested.

This all happened on the preparation day, the day he died.

As he was buried the first day of Unleavened Bread began.

I see the Night to be Much Observed as the night of the NT Passover which means unleavened bread is required.

The Night to be Much Observed pictures coming out of Egypt, spiritual Egypt.

'The preparation/ paraskeue' is the day before the weekly Sabbath.

It is never used any other way in the four Gospels.

 

[jamie]

Well you have Him changing times and laws then and not a peep about passover being changed...He ate with leavened bread and wine...not very Passoverish is it?

Passover was to be celebrated by NOT going outside and singing hymns and/or buying stuff...

Jesus was forced by circumstance to observe his new Passover on preparation day. There is no prohibition against drinking wine or eating leavened bread on preparation day. I normally try to have a cheeseburger on preparation day, and I also buy stuff on preparation day.

Our NT Passover does not require animal sacrifice, just unleavened bread and wine.