What is the express image of God?

[1Mind1Spirit]

References are from the NKJV Study Bible
Hebrews 1:3

The Son is the brightness of God's glory, meaning the radiance comes from God's essential glory. The author of Hebrews is emphasizing that this is not a reflected brightness like the light of the moon. Instead this is an inherent brightness like a ray from the sun. Jesus' glorious brightness comes from being essentially divine. The phrase express image occurs only here in the N.T. and means "exact representation" or "exact character." In greek literature the word was used of stamping a coin from the die. The Son is the exact representation of God's being because He is God himself. (See Colossians 1:15)

Colossians 1:15

Firstborn over all creation. Firstborn could denote a priority in time or rank. The word does not describe Christ as the first created in time because the hymn proclaims that all things were "created by him" and that He is "before all things." Jesus is the eternal one who was before all creation. The idea of firstborn in the Hebrew culture did not require that one be the firstborn son. This was not the case with either Isaac or Jacob. But they were the firstborn in the sense that they were rightful heirs to the line of their fathers'. Being firstborn referred more to rank and privilege than to order of birth. Since Christ is God, He is supreme in rank over all creation. Yet He is not only the transcendent deity who created us; He is the one who died on our behalf and was subsequently raised from the dead. The first one who experienced the true resurrection.

Nice copy paste job, BR.

However those scholars or whatever they call themselves are ignorant as to what glory is.

The glory Jesus had with the Father, was praise and renown from his Father.

This glory was being his Father's delight.

He came here and learned obedience through suffering.

Definition of GLORY

: praise, honor, or distinction extended by common consent : renown

 

[RBBI]

Jesus is The Express Image of God. He had The Fullness of The Godhead bodily dwelling in Himself. No mere man could ever claim that. When Saul encountered The Holy Spirit on the road to Damascus, He identified Himself:

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks..

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jhn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace

Looks to me like we mere men have every right to claim it.

And as for what He said to Paul, Paul was persecuting the earthly fleshly body of Jesus, the natural many membered man, but it was the Head of the spiritual body that is the Seed Son, that spoke to Paul, which is why he saw NO MAN.

It is THIS SON that the fullness of HaShem resides in as HaShem was/is in Christ reconciling all men unto Himself.

Unless of course you think the fullness dwells in YOUR flesh and not the flesh of the Seed Son of HaShem, man. In which case if it did, it would look like swiss cheese so full of holes from being rent, and be destroyed, just like the old wineskin it is called elsewhere. Hereafter we'll not know Him after the flesh, but after the Spirit. And that includes HIS flesh.

Made in His image means, SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY. HaShem is the Spirit, His soul is wisdom, His body is the union of the two, a Son made in THEIR image, enrobed in the flesh of Yeshua, that the invisible might have visibility and lead us back to the Father.

For this cause shall a man leave Father and mother and cleave unto His wife, and this He did, for He that ascended IS HE THAT FIRST DESCENDED, AND HE THAT DESCENDED WAS SPIRIT NOT FLESH.

The Father is Spirit and is as the male aspect. The soul is as the female aspect, and she was with Him from the beginning, but He hid her from the mockers and scorners of men that she be not put to shame. Which is the reason Joseph was told to hide Mary that she not be put to shame.

Pro 3:19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

Pro 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her SEVEN PILLARS:

Pro 14:6 A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.

Pro 1:20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

Peace

 

[RBBI]

You must deal with the fact that "He created all things." Checkmate!

Genesis 1:1 New King James Version (NKJV)

The History of Creation
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Let's shake it up a little more, shall we? Beginning there also could be translated FIRSTFRUITS. And since we know elsewhere that waters/spirits/heavens and the mind of Christ the Seed Son are the same.....And since we know elsewhere that the earth is not just this round orb we live on, but our own bodies (Matt. 13) taken from the dust of the earth where we are told the GOOD SEED was planted, then.....it reads as thus....

In the FIRSTFRUITS, HaShem created the mind of Christ and the glorified body.

He was a type of firstfruits unto God, the FIRSTBORN of many brethren. He is Abraham's Seed, the reason the "ha" was added to his name/nature, Seed, singular.

He then goes on to describe the other "days" of both darkness and light, culminating with where He began, the 7th day of no part darkness. Everything He ever planned to do, He outlined in those few verses.

And that 7th day is CHRIST THE SEED MAN, the FIRSTFRUITS, who first descended in man for days 2-6, before ASCENDING in man in day 7, AS day 7, the perfect or complete day, the SABBATH DAY of rest we are to enter into. If Moses had given us rest, then he would not have spoken of another day.

Enoch bore this witness, as he was the SEVENTH man from Adam, and he pleased God and was no more, for God took Him. Well, Yeshua the man IS NO MORE, for God took Him too, BUT THE SEED, THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST, THE FIRSTFRUITS AND THE HARVEST, LIVES FOREVER MORE.

Man is like a day; composed of both darkness and light until He enters into the Seed Son, the new ark of the covenant, who covers him like the mercy seat covers the tablets of the law. Love covers a multitude of sins; until the law came we knew not what sin was.

Psa 12:6 The WORDS of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified SEVEN times.

Pro 24:16 For a just man FALLETH SEVEN TIMES, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

What will the "churches" do when they realize they escaped the fleshpots of Egypt only to be sold into slavery to Babylon for worshipping their idols? Peace

 

[keypurr]

Ah Keypurr, it says that Christ created. He is God.

ALL POWER WAS GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND EARTH.
Lord Jesus Christ

God gave him his fullness, do you understand what that means?

 

[keypurr]

References are from the NKJV Study Bible
Hebrews 1:3

The Son is the brightness of God's glory, meaning the radiance comes from God's essential glory. The author of Hebrews is emphasizing that this is not a reflected brightness like the light of the moon. Instead this is an inherent brightness like a ray from the sun. Jesus' glorious brightness comes from being essentially divine. The phrase express image occurs only here in the N.T. and means "exact representation" or "exact character." In greek literature the word was used of stamping a coin from the die. The Son is the exact representation of God's being because He is God himself. (See Colossians 1:15)

Hebrews 1:3

(ASV) who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

(BBE) Who, being the outshining of his glory, the true image of his substance, supporting all things by the word of his power, having given himself as an offering making clean from sins, took his seat at the right hand of God in heaven;

(Bishops) Who beyng the bryghtnesse of the glorie, and the very image of his substaunce, vpholdyng all thynges with the worde of his power, hauing by him selfe pourged our sinnes, hath syt on the ryght hande of the maiestie on hye:

(CEV) God's Son has all the brightness of God's own glory and is like him in every way. By his own mighty word, he holds the universe together. After the Son had washed away our sins, he sat down at the right side of the glorious God in heaven.

(DRB) Who being the brightness of his glory and the figure of his substance and upholding all things by the word of his power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high:

(ESV) He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

(Geneva) Who being the brightnes of the glory, and the ingraued forme of his person, and bearing vp all things by his mightie worde, hath by himselfe purged our sinnes, and sitteth at the right hand of the Maiestie in the highest places,

(GNB) He reflects the brightness of God's glory and is the exact likeness of God's own being, sustaining the universe with his powerful word. After achieving forgiveness for the sins of all human beings, he sat down in heaven at the right side of God, the Supreme Power.

(GW) His Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's being. He holds everything together through his powerful words. After he had cleansed people from their sins, he received the highest position, the one next to the Father in heaven.

(ISV) He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of his being, and he holds everything together by his powerful word. After he had provided a cleansing from sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Highest Majesty

(KJV) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

(NAS77) And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high;

(NASB) And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

(NET.) The Son is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, and he sustains all things by his powerful word, and so when he had accomplished cleansing for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

(NIrV) The Son is the gleaming brightness of God's glory. He is the exact likeness of God's being. He uses his powerful word to hold all things together. He provided the way for people to be made pure from sin. Then he sat down at the right hand of the King, the Majesty in heaven.

(NIV) The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

(NKJV) who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

(NRSV) He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact imprint of God's very being, and he sustains all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

(NRSVA) He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact imprint of God's very being, and he sustains all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

(TNIV) The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

(YLT) who being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence, bearing up also the all things by the saying of his might--through himself having made a cleansing of our sins, sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the highest,

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[keypurr]

References are from the NKJV Study Bible


Colossians 1:15

Firstborn over all creation. Firstborn could denote a priority in time or rank. The word does not describe Christ as the first created in time because the hymn proclaims that all things were "created by him" and that He is "before all things." Jesus is the eternal one who was before all creation. The idea of firstborn in the Hebrew culture did not require that one be the firstborn son. This was not the case with either Isaac or Jacob. But they were the firstborn in the sense that they were rightful heirs to the line of their fathers'. Being firstborn referred more to rank and privilege than to order of birth. Since Christ is God, He is supreme in rank over all creation. Yet He is not only the transcendent deity who created us; He is the one who died on our behalf and was subsequently raised from the dead. The first one who experienced the true resurrection.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

He is before all things...,.,. firstborn
First to be created for all things were created through him.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

He can take on The Form of Flesh, at will. Old Testament Scripture proved that, alone. He ate with Abraham.Liar.

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Jesus is The Express Image of God. He had The Fullness of The Godhead bodily dwelling in Himself. No mere man could ever claim that.When Saul encountered The Holy Spirit on the road to Damascus, He identified Himself:

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Why you don't believe in Him I have no idea.Sorry, but you're just not making sense here. I'm capable of following Him, since I have Him living in me. You should try Him on. He fits quite nicely.You don't have to listen to nonsense to know it's nonsense. I hear His Voice, but I won't follow yours, since you're a stranger to Him.I see fine. You're blinded by your own image which you've made to 'represent' Him. That image is an idol. I worship The One Who lives in me. You worship your imagination.

You worship a false Christ.

You deny the man Jesus and replace Him with a God not requiring flesh to exist.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

LA

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You have seen it many times BR, you just do not wish to accept the truth that conflicts with your tradition. All creations, images have a beginning.

When did your "false doctrine" have its beginning?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I love commas friend.

That's not good, because if you should ever faint, they may mistake
you for being, "Commatose?"

 

[RBBI]

When did your "false doctrine" have its beginning?

A better question would be, when did yours?

The RCC had a quandary, because if they worshipped the flesh of Him, then they had that nagging problem of explaining how His deified flesh could have come from a totally normal natural flesh mother.

So what, oh what to do? Oh, I know. Let's make HER a sort of demi-god we can worship and pray to also. Where IS that graven image maker?

After all, if He was portrayed exactly as us in stature after we receive the same Spirit and are adopted as sons, then we might dare to believe the Word and actually become like Him while on earth, instead of burying those talents, waiting for those wings in heaven. But if the flesh of Him was portrayed as diety from the onset and worshipped, then there's no chance of the mere mortals ever thinking they could in any way be like Him, and find out how.

So that way, not only do we, the RCC, obscure who He really was and was formed like, but also deny the fact that we are adopted by the same Spirit, and joint heirs having the same fullness. Because after all, we, the RCC can't have a bunch of them running around believing the Word. Better to keep them in darkness, hopeless, and without Him in their hearts, lest that Seed should grow into something that would threaten OUR kingdom. Peace

 

[lifeisgood]

RCC is DOES NOT represent Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.

RCC is an organization that asserts without any guilt on their part that Mary is the savior of the world and not Jesus.

"....Oh how many, exclaims the Abbot of Celles, who merits to be condemned by the divine justice, are sved by the mercy of Mary! for she is the treasure of God and the treasure of all graces; therefore it is that our salvation is in her hands. Let us always then have recourse to this mother of mercy, and confidently hope to be saved by means of her intercession; since she…is our salvation, our life, our hope, our counsel, our refuge, our help

Mary is that very throne of grace, says St. Antoninus, to which the apostle exhorts us to have recourse with confidence, that we may obtain the divine mercy, with all needed help for our salvation. To the throne of grace, that is, to Mary, as St. Antoninus remarks. Hence, Mary was called by St. Catherine of Sienna: The dispenser of divine mercy: ‘Administratrix misericordiae’" (The Glories of Mary, translated from the Italian of St. Alphonsus Liguori, Founder of the Congregation of the Holy Redeemer — New Edition 1852 — Copyright, 1888 by P.J. Kenedy).

Imprimatured and approved by the Vatican.

 

[Tambora]

Ok,...Lets address 1 Tim. 3:16 - first of all,...the word 'God' is NOT in the earliest manuscripts, and is scribal error or addition (whether intentional or accidental),

I do not hold the view that "earliest copy" = "correct copy", so the rest of your post is rather moot.

 

[Bright Raven]

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

He is before all things...,.,. firstborn
First to be created for all things were created through him.

You don't read well. Firstborn is a mark of position. If created he cannot create. The created cannot be part of the creation. Pretty simple. Do you understand

 

[Aimiel]

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Jhn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace

Looks to me like we mere men have every right to claim it.

I'm sure, to you, it does; however, we have not received ALL the fullness of The Godhead, only OF It... meaning: SOME of It. :duh:

And as for what He said to Paul, Paul was persecuting the earthly fleshly body of Jesus, the natural many membered man, but it was the Head of the spiritual body that is the Seed Son, that spoke to Paul, which is why he saw NO MAN.

Oh, I see. :kookoo:

It is THIS SON that the fullness of HaShem resides in as HaShem was/is in Christ reconciling all men unto Himself.

What does, "fullness," mean to you? Does it mean, "part," or, "some" ?

 

[Aimiel]

You worship a false Christ.

You deny the man Jesus and replace Him with a God not requiring flesh to exist.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jesus Christ is come in The Flesh, you simply don't realize Who He actually is. You deny His Deity. He doesn't need your permission to take on The Form of Flesh.

 

[RBBI]

RCC is DOES NOT represent Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.

RCC is an organization that asserts without any guilt on their part that Mary is the savior of the world and not Jesus.

"....Oh how many, exclaims the Abbot of Celles, who merits to be condemned by the divine justice, are sved by the mercy of Mary! for she is the treasure of God and the treasure of all graces; therefore it is that our salvation is in her hands. Let us always then have recourse to this mother of mercy, and confidently hope to be saved by means of her intercession; since she…is our salvation, our life, our hope, our counsel, our refuge, our help

Mary is that very throne of grace, says St. Antoninus, to which the apostle exhorts us to have recourse with confidence, that we may obtain the divine mercy, with all needed help for our salvation. To the throne of grace, that is, to Mary, as St. Antoninus remarks. Hence, Mary was called by St. Catherine of Sienna: The dispenser of divine mercy: ‘Administratrix misericordiae’" (The Glories of Mary, translated from the Italian of St. Alphonsus Liguori, Founder of the Congregation of the Holy Redeemer — New Edition 1852 — Copyright, 1888 by P.J. Kenedy).

Imprimatured and approved by the Vatican.

You didn't understand my post, or you would know I said that.

 

[Aimiel]

I am many things Aimiel but liar. I was banned once for saying that about someone.

Maybe because you were lying when you said it?

You are a very mixed up person for you do not know what you read.

This, quite simply, is not the case.

Jesus told you that God is a spirit, is he a liar also?

Now you're bordering on blasphemy.

No one is disputing the godlike powers that were given to Jesus Christ but he has a God who tells him when to jump and how high to do it.

Actually, Jesus never once used any of His Power. All that He did on this earth He did as a man walking under the covenants that God had provided to all men, through His Word. He gave us a new and better covenant, cut in His Own Blood.

Jesus is not a spirit, he was a man. A man can not be the express image of God who is spirit. Why can't you see that? I do not think he is living in you at all, for you do not know him or his God.

I have Him inside me. He is my Lord and my God.

 

[Tambora]

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

He is before all things...,.,. firstborn
First to be created for all things were created through him.

Which means HE existed before anything was created, and all things that were created were created by HIM and for HIM.


If "firstborn" means He was the first created, then saying that He created all things would make no sense. It would also make no sense to say that He was before all things created if He were one of the things included in "all things created".

We are not to worship any created thing as our Lord God and Savior.
Scripture tells us that God never had any intention of creating another god for us to worship as Lord God and Savior of creation.

Isaiah 43 KJV
(10) Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
(11) I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.​

If our Lord God and Savior, Jesus Christ, was a created being, then it would be blasphemy to worship Him as Lord God and Savior.
For to worship a created thing rather than the Creator is a no-no.


Furthermore, you are trying to force "firstborn" to mean 1st of origin rather than 1st of position/rank.
We have several instances where God calls one a "firstborn" when they were not the 1st of origin.

Exodus 4 KJV
(22) And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:​

Obviously, Israel was not the 1st nation of origin, but was the 1st of position/rank.

Jeremiah 31 KJV
(9) They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.​

We know that Ephraim was not the firstborn of origin, but was the firstborn of position/rank.

Psalms 89 KJV
(27) Also I will make him [David] my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.​

We know that David was not 1st of origin, but 1st of position/rank.

 

[RBBI]

I'm sure, to you, it does; however, we have not received ALL the fullness of The Godhead, only OF It... meaning: SOME of It. :duh:Oh, I see. :kookoo:What does, "fullness," mean to you? Does it mean, "part," or, "some" ?

Really. If Christ is in you, and HaShem is in Christ, then did Christ suddenly lose some part of Himself by virtue of being in you?

A seed planted, denotes a HARVEST is expected. That harvest is the SAME AS THE SEED THAT WAS PLANTED. Just as He is the same as the Father that created Him out of His own "loins", but the Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Father, they only resemble each other as one mature "tree" resembles the one the seed came from that bore it.

If you don't know what seed was planted, then it's impossible for you know what the harvest will look like. Seems to me this problem was resolved already.....

1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.


What does "grace for grace" mean to you? Peace

 

[Tambora]

You don't read well. Firstborn is a mark of position. If created he cannot create. The created cannot be part of the creation. Pretty simple. Do you understand

Yeppers.