Arthur Brain
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Another example of clueless. That basketball gif kinda suits you.
Were The Nazis Left Wing?
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Another example of clueless. That basketball gif kinda suits you.
Arthur Brain
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Yeah, you're not missing much...
ok doser
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A Supreme Court packed with conservative judges nominated by Trump and confirmed by a Republican Senate will overturn Roe v Wade.
Why do you think the left is willing to burn the country down in order to prevent his re-election?
This is Trump's legacy, in just three years: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...y_Donald_Trump
Imagine what he'll do with five more
This will likely be the last post I make on this thread unless I am shocked at the intellectual honesty that someone unexpectedly shows up here with....
The right vs. left, what's the difference? I cannot say it better than other already has...
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The right consists of free-market capitalists, who think the individual is the primary political unit, believes in property rights, and is generally distrustful of the administrative state and government solutions to social problems. They view family and civil institutions such as church as needed checks on state power. These people don’t think government should force a business to provide employee birth control or think law should coerce bakers to make cakes against their conscience. They think the solution to bad speech is more speech; the solution to gun violence is more guns. These people talk about “freedom” — the method individual decisions. (The counterexample might be gay marriage but that is a positive right (give me something) instead of a negative right (leave me alone)).
The left believes the opposite. These people are distrustful of the excesses and inequality capitalism produces. They give primacy to group rights and identity. They believe factors like race, ethnicity, and gender compose the primary political units. They don’t believe in strong property rights. They believe it is the government’s responsibility to solve social problems. They call for public intervention to “equalize” disparities and render our social fabric more inclusive (as they define it). They believe the free market has failed to solve issues like campaign finance, income inequality, minimum wage, access to healthcare, and righting past injustices. These people talk about “democracy” — the method of collective decisions.
By these definitions the Nazis were firmly on the left. National Socialism was a collectivist authoritarian movement run by “social justice warriors.” That this brand of “justice” benefited only some based on immutable characteristics perfectly aligns with the modern brand. The Nazi ideal embraced identity politics based on the primacy of the people or “volk” and invoked state-based solutions for every possible problem. It was nation-based socialism — the nation being especially important to those who bled in the Great War.
As Hayek wrote in 1933, the year the Nazis took power:
t is more than probable that the real meaning of the German revolution is that the long dreaded expansion of communism into the heart of Europe has taken place but is not recognized because the fundamental similarity of methods and ideas is hidden by the difference in phraseology and the privileged groups. - ‘The Road to Serfdom’ - emphasis added
Nazism and socialism competed with the Enlightenment-based individualism of Locke, Smith, Montesquieu, and others who profoundly influenced the American founding and define the modern American right at its best.
These thinkers fit easily with Hayek’s Austrian School of Economics, which opposed both the imperialist German Historical School and the Marxists. - from The Nazis Were Leftists, Deal With It by Paul H Jossey
The fact that Nazism is left wing is the biggest no brainer in all of political theory and thought! It's perfectly asinine to think anything else! The only way anyone can suggest otherwise is if they are either lying in order to distance the left from the embarrassment of history that the Nazis are and instead pin that embarrassment onto their political rivals or else its because they are ignoramuses who believe what they are told by others on the left instead of reading and thus knowing for themselves not only the facts of history but of modern political thought. In short, the notion that Nazism is right wing is a product of the public school system, the decidedly left wing professoriate in higher education and the left wing media complex (i.e. the left in general).
Clete
The right vs. left, what's the difference? I cannot say it better than other already has...
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The right consists of free-market capitalists, who think the individual is the primary political unit, believes in property rights, and is generally distrustful of the administrative state and government solutions to social problems. They view family and civil institutions such as church as needed checks on state power. These people don’t think government should force a business to provide employee birth control or think law should coerce bakers to make cakes against their conscience. They think the solution to bad speech is more speech; the solution to gun violence is more guns. These people talk about “freedom” — the method individual decisions. (The counterexample might be gay marriage but that is a positive right (give me something) instead of a negative right (leave me alone)).
The left believes the opposite. These people are distrustful of the excesses and inequality capitalism produces. They give primacy to group rights and identity. They believe factors like race, ethnicity, and gender compose the primary political units. They don’t believe in strong property rights. They believe it is the government’s responsibility to solve social problems. They call for public intervention to “equalize” disparities and render our social fabric more inclusive (as they define it). They believe the free market has failed to solve issues like campaign finance, income inequality, minimum wage, access to healthcare, and righting past injustices. These people talk about “democracy” — the method of collective decisions.
By these definitions the Nazis were firmly on the left. National Socialism was a collectivist authoritarian movement run by “social justice warriors.” That this brand of “justice” benefited only some based on immutable characteristics perfectly aligns with the modern brand. The Nazi ideal embraced identity politics based on the primacy of the people or “volk” and invoked state-based solutions for every possible problem. It was nation-based socialism — the nation being especially important to those who bled in the Great War.
As Hayek wrote in 1933, the year the Nazis took power:
t is more than probable that the real meaning of the German revolution is that the long dreaded expansion of communism into the heart of Europe has taken place but is not recognized because the fundamental similarity of methods and ideas is hidden by the difference in phraseology and the privileged groups. - ‘The Road to Serfdom’ - emphasis added
Nazism and socialism competed with the Enlightenment-based individualism of Locke, Smith, Montesquieu, and others who profoundly influenced the American founding and define the modern American right at its best.
These thinkers fit easily with Hayek’s Austrian School of Economics, which opposed both the imperialist German Historical School and the Marxists. - from The Nazis Were Leftists, Deal With It by Paul H Jossey
The fact that Nazism is left wing is the biggest no brainer in all of political theory and thought! It's perfectly asinine to think anything else! The only way anyone can suggest otherwise is if they are either lying in order to distance the left from the embarrassment of history that the Nazis are and instead pin that embarrassment onto their political rivals or else its because they are ignoramuses who believe what they are told by others on the left instead of reading and thus knowing for themselves not only the facts of history but of modern political thought. In short, the notion that Nazism is right wing is a product of the public school system, the decidedly left wing professoriate in higher education and the left wing media complex (i.e. the left in general).
Clete
Arthur Brain
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This is the same as your other "last" post in this thread, said post being #50. Repeating the same stuff doesn't alter the facts. Credible sources place Nazis on the far right, because that's what they were, just as wingnut neo Nazis, white supremacists along with folk who think homosexuals should be executed etc. They even identify as being on the far right...
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Those denying that the Nazi's were/are socialists are interesting with their insistence on denying reality. Your lack of knowledge of history is astounding.
Germany was already a socialist nation before WW1. German thought leaders, i.e. their leading intellectuals saw WW1 as a war between socialism and classical liberalism, i.e. individualism. Germany had been socialist in nature for approximately 30 years before WW1.
Notice the relationship between socialism and German history. Also notice the Nazi's were supported by the existing socialists. In effect all the Nazi's actually did was add nationalism to socialism. It was the Marxist true believers that brought the youth into the Nazi camp. That the socialists were great advocates for National Socialism it is impossible to be intellectually honest and claim the Nazi's were not socialist in nature and practice. If they were not, the pre-existing socialists in Germany would have opposed them rather than help lead the population into the Nazi camp.
Germany was already a socialist nation before WW1. German thought leaders, i.e. their leading intellectuals saw WW1 as a war between socialism and classical liberalism, i.e. individualism. Germany had been socialist in nature for approximately 30 years before WW1.
Notice the relationship between socialism and German history. Also notice the Nazi's were supported by the existing socialists. In effect all the Nazi's actually did was add nationalism to socialism. It was the Marxist true believers that brought the youth into the Nazi camp. That the socialists were great advocates for National Socialism it is impossible to be intellectually honest and claim the Nazi's were not socialist in nature and practice. If they were not, the pre-existing socialists in Germany would have opposed them rather than help lead the population into the Nazi camp.
ok doser
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Arthur Brain
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It's telling that all the voices of protest for the Nazis being far right are from people who are on the...far right.
Are you whining about me reposting it doesn't do any more to refute it than was done last time I posted it. Nazism is left wing. Get over it or stop being left wing!
None of them will notice any such relationship because none of them can be bothered to read that much material on a subject withwhich they disagree.
ok doser
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I challenged them several days ago to do a Venn diagram showing overlap between right wing values, left wing values and Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei values.
Unsurprisingly they had nothing.
Arthur Brain
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Of course they weren't. You can convince yourself as much as you like it won't alter the fact that they were far right. All credible historians and scholars place that ideology where it belongs and your revising won't change anything. I notice you constantly avoid it where it's pointed out to you that you advocate homosexuality being a capital crime. Do you think anyone who's left wing/liberal would promote such? If you're going to be honest you'd concede that they most assuredly wouldn't. The Nazis believed in persecuting and killing homosexuals though didn't they? That type of extremism is far right Clete, simple as that.
Deal with it or stop being far right.
Arthur Brain
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This thread is about Nazism dude...
way 2 go
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hitler wrote "I am a German nationalist. This means that I proclaim my nationality. My whole thought and action belongs to it. I am a socialist. I see no class and no social estate before me, but that community of the Folk, made up of people who are linked by blood, united by a language, and subject to a same general fate."
way 2 go
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socialism sucks , national socialism sucks
Arthur Brain
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Nazism isn't socialism. Educate yourself. Question: Do you think that homosexuality should be a capital crime?
Saying it doesn't make it so nor does it even begin to refute what has already been argued.
You mean indoctrinate yourself with the party line, right? Anyone who disagrees with you should be silenced. That's pretty much the mode of the entire left at the moment. Just like their Nazi brothers and sisters.
One's policy concerning homos has nothing to do with the form of your government. Anyone guilty of a capital crime should be executed upon conviction regardless of which form of government is in power.
Arthur Brain
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Common sense, rationale and logic make it so. Your opinion is just that, an opinion that has no bearing on actual reality.
No, I don't mean that at all and what on earth are you on about with this "anyone who disagrees with me should be silenced" garbage? I support freedom of speech and have no interest in curbing it so get that straight.
That you advocate homosexuality being a capital crime at all is what puts you on the far right Clete. It's certainly not left wing or liberal ideology or in fact conservative for that matter, it's simply far right. Some people's idea of "Godly" government is nothing short of religious extremism and if enforced would be a totalitarian, dystopian nightmare. Ironic.
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eider
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What year did he write that in?
When he was seeking the people's vote he told so many lies to please them.
Now you dig 'em up and actually believe them, just like the voters did back then.
Sad.