The entire thread is still right here for the entire world to read moron.
Were The Nazis Left Wing?
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The entire thread is still right here for the entire world to read moron.
"The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum." -- https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/...is-socialists/
"Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it. The Communist Party and Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany were banned in 1933, along with the limitation of the power of all those who opposed Nazi rule. Many SPD members were arrested, sent to concentration camps, or exiled to Prague, Paris and London. The first concentration camp in Dachau, built-in 1933, was intended to inter the Nazi’s left-wing opponents. Hitler was also vocally critical of the “November criminals”—those who led Germany after the First World War and signed the Armistice and the Treaty of Versailles. These leaders were social democrats." -- https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
"Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it. The Communist Party and Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany were banned in 1933, along with the limitation of the power of all those who opposed Nazi rule. Many SPD members were arrested, sent to concentration camps, or exiled to Prague, Paris and London. The first concentration camp in Dachau, built-in 1933, was intended to inter the Nazi’s left-wing opponents. Hitler was also vocally critical of the “November criminals”—those who led Germany after the First World War and signed the Armistice and the Treaty of Versailles. These leaders were social democrats." -- https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
Arthur Brain
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Considering I started the thing, that's not too much of a surprise to me Clete. Obviously, lying is all okay in your book. Ho hum.
Trump Gurl
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You started a huge LIE that we have proven wrong multiple times
You keep calling him a liar but you never prove it, because you cannot, because in fact YOU are the liar here. And from what I see of your posting history you seem to be a congenital liar at that. You are mentally incapable of accepting simple truths. That classifies you as a Retard.
Arthur Brain
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Hmm, well, no you haven't and nor has anybody else as you can't prove something wrong that isn't. Nazi ideology as is recorded by historians and scholars is placed squarely where it belongs, on the far right. That it winds some of you up is a little bit entertaining but you don't get to invent your own "facts". Neo Nazis are far right and identify as such but I suppose in your world they're liberals?
I call him a liar because he made a false accusation that he couldn't substantiate and persists in the falsehood. That being that people like me or anyone left of centre want to silence people like him and you. Simply untrue. I don't know what it is with certain zealots who see persecution where there isn't any but I don't want people silenced, I want freedom of speech including the bat crazy. Dinesh D'Souza?! Pass...
Oh, and being called a retard by someone who thinks that Katie Hopkins is 'normal' and that the UK is on the verge of becoming a Nazi state is hysterical...
I found this video this past weekend and haven't had time to do any posting here since then and this morning I find that Trump Girl had already found it and posted it. I really like it when stuff like that happens!
I'm sure that all Authur will have in response is to call me a liar again (go figure) and won't even bother to listen (watch) this 5 minute video with nothing in it but facts that are easily verifiable because when he started this thread, he hadn't the slightest idea that it's those of us on the right who actually have a some idea how to think and who know what we're talking about. It is beyond his comprehension that his public school teachers and CNN are the sources of the lies he's being told, not me.
I'm sure that all Authur will have in response is to call me a liar again (go figure) and won't even bother to listen (watch) this 5 minute video with nothing in it but facts that are easily verifiable because when he started this thread, he hadn't the slightest idea that it's those of us on the right who actually have a some idea how to think and who know what we're talking about. It is beyond his comprehension that his public school teachers and CNN are the sources of the lies he's being told, not me.
Arthur Brain
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I called you a liar because of your persistence with your falsehoods that people like me want to silence people like you. Dinesh D'Souza is a far right conspiracy theorist who's book about Nazi's being left wing has been roundly discredited and debunked across the board. I don't watch CNN and I get my news from multiple sources. Credible people place Nazi ideology squarely where it belongs, on the far right. Fact.
Arthur Brain
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Telling how this is getting ignored...
ok doser
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Snopes lies
Maybe because it is false.
Arthur Brain
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Except it isn't. Even neo Nazis are at least honest enough to identify as far right because that's where Nazi ideology lies. They're bat crazy, sure but that's extremism of any stripe for you. The only counters to the Nazis not being far right have come from...the far right and thoroughly discredited sources.
Well...the only counters to the Nazis not being far right have come from...the not quite as far right. Understandably, they do not want to be associated with Nazi ideology. And of course it would be unfair to accuse most right wingers of being Nazis or even Nazi sympathizers.
Arthur Brain
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Well, a coupla irate voices have been pretty far right but I get your point and I don't associate conservatives or right wingers with Nazism at all and I have underlined that.
eider
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Yep! I hope that User Name does not mind me repeating it all here...... again.......... and again......!
It might sink in........ slowly.......
"The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum." -- https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/...is-socialists/
"Socialists, along with other left-wing political activists opposed the Nazi regime and were persecuted under it. The Communist Party and Social Democratic Party (SPD) of Germany were banned in 1933, along with the limitation of the power of all those who opposed Nazi rule. Many SPD members were arrested, sent to concentration camps, or exiled to Prague, Paris and London. The first concentration camp in Dachau, built-in 1933, was intended to inter the Nazi’s left-wing opponents. Hitler was also vocally critical of the “November criminals”—those who led Germany after the First World War and signed the Armistice and the Treaty of Versailles. These leaders were social democrats." -- https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
This article is from 2018:
Self-described Nazis and white supremacists are running as Republicans across the country. The GOP is terrified.
"In Illinois, meanwhile, the Republican Party shrugged off Arthur Jones, a candidate for the state’s 3rd Congressional district who boasted of his membership in the American Nazi Party. But Jones won the GOP primary..."
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"Script: “He’s a fascist!” For decades, this has been a favorite smear of the left, aimed at those on the right. Every Republican president—for that matter, virtually every Republican—since the 1970s has been called a fascist; now, more than ever. This label is based on the idea that fascism is a phenomenon of the political right. The left says it is, and some self-styled white supremacists and neo-Nazis embrace the label. But are they correct? To answer this question, we have to ask what fascism really means: What is its underlying ideology? Where does it even come from? These are not easy questions to answer. We know the name of the philosopher of capitalism: Adam Smith. We know the name of the philosopher of Marxism: Karl Marx. But who’s the philosopher of fascism? Yes—exactly. You don’t know. Don’t feel bad. Almost no one knows. This is not because he doesn’t exist, but because historians, most of whom are on the political left, had to erase him from history in order to avoid confronting fascism’s actual beliefs. So, let me introduce him to you. His name is Giovanni Gentile. Born in 1875, he was one of the world’s most influential philosophers in the first half of the twentieth century. Gentile believed that there were two “diametrically opposed” types of democracy. One is liberal democracy, such as that of the United States, which Gentile dismisses as individualistic—too centered on liberty and personal rights—and therefore selfish. The other, the one Gentile recommends, is “true democracy,” in which individuals willingly subordinate themselves to the state. Like his philosophical mentor, Karl Marx, Gentile wanted to create a community that resembles the family, a community where we are “all in this together.” It’s easy to see the attraction of this idea. Indeed, it remains a common rhetorical theme of the left. For example, at the 1984 convention of the Democratic Party, the governor of New York, Mario Cuomo, likened America to an extended family where, through the government, people all take care of each other. Nothing’s changed. Thirty years later, a slogan of the 2012 Democratic Party convention was, “The government is the only thing we all belong to.” They might as well have been quoting Gentile. Now, remember, Gentile was a man of the left. He was a committed socialist. For Gentile, fascism is a form of socialism—indeed, its most workable form. While the socialism of Marx mobilizes people on the basis of class, fascism mobilizes people by appealing to their national identity as well as their class. Fascists are socialists with a national identity. German Fascists in the 1930s were called Nazis—basically a contraction of the term “national socialist.” For Gentile, all private action should be oriented to serve society; there is no distinction between the private interest and the public interest. Correctly understood, the two are identical. And who is the administrative arm of the society? It’s none other than the state. Consequently, to submit to society is to submit to the state—not just in economic matters, but in all matters. Since everything is political, the state gets to tell everyone how to think and what to do. "
Giovanni Gentile (1875-1944) described himself as "the philosopher of Fascism." He ghostwrote A Doctrine of Fascism (1930) for his country's prime minister, Benito Mussolini.
Philosophically he drew from Kant, Hegel and Marx – system builders.
They got nice and quiet about this, which is quite understandable...
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Was Obama like a Nazi?
Obama listened to Louis Farrakhan, and he hated Jews.
Obama listened to Louis Farrakhan, and he hated Jews.