Well, it's about time!

The Barbarian

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how?

how could he "stop it right now"?


by doing what, exactly?

Same way he implemented it. By having Sessions make an announcement. That's how they implemented it.

And he admits it, by saying he'll stop it, if Congress gives him money to put up his vanity wall.
 

The Barbarian

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and that will do what, exactly?

Put an end to his policy of abusing kids to get even with their parents.

how will that address the problem of illegal immigration?

It wouldn't. But it would stop child abuse. Not likely he'll do that willingly. As you now realize he has a history of trying to harm kids to get even with parents. That's the kind of person he is. In the case of his nephew's kid, a judge had to step in and order him to stop it.
 

ok doser

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Put an end to his policy of abusing kids to get even with their parents.

because then those kids will go where?

into detention facilities with their parents?

as you learned, bammy tried that and the courts slapped him on the wrist



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It wouldn't.

then it's a pretty bad step to take, isn't it?

returning to the failed mess of bammy's eight years of ineffective fumbling doesn't seem like a step toward solving the illegal immigration problem.
 

serpentdove

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Trump lied about Democrats controlling the policy of separating parents and children at the border.


The Dems had a chance to take a look at DACA. They didn’t. Trump (via QAnon
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makes their money through drugs/child trafficking.

You’d like to keep the operation up and running. Trump claims to want to shut it down.

“I prefer clarity to agreement.” ~ Dennis Prager
 
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glorydaz

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Nope. It's his policy, and he could stop it right now, if he didn't want to abuse those kids. He's admitted that he would stop it, if Congress would do what he wanted. It's a hostage situation. "Give me what I want, or the kids get it."

And it's unneccessary. Obama deported a record number of illegal immigrants, so Trump really has no excuse.

We're very close to forcing a vote to stop the abuse in Congress. At that point, every republican will have to decide which way to go.

Let's see what happens.

Clearly, you have no desire to read facts, and prefer your fake news. :Christine:
 

annabenedetti

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Put an end to his policy of abusing kids to get even with their parents.

It wouldn't. But it would stop child abuse. Not likely he'll do that willingly. As you now realize he has a history of trying to harm kids to get even with parents. That's the kind of person he is. In the case of his nephew's kid, a judge had to step in and order him to stop it.


What's not being talked about enough imo is that first time illegal border crossings are misdemeanors, which shouldn't be enough to take children from their parents. Requests for asylum shouldn't separate families either, but that's what's happening.
 

ok doser

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What's not being talked about enough imo is that first time illegal border crossings are misdemeanors, which shouldn't be enough to take children from their parents.

you don't think irresponsible parents who put their children at risk should have their custody rights taken away?


or do you just totally ignore the dangers those kids have been exposed to crossing mexico, land of the violent drug gangs?


Requests for asylum shouldn't separate families either, but that's what's happening.

bammy tried keeping them together and the federal judges slapped him silly
 

annabenedetti

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you don't think irresponsible parents who put their children at risk should have their custody rights taken away?

In the context of immigration: No.

And how easy for you say it, sitting safely behind your keyboard.

These parents are leaving the place that has more danger for them than the place they're trying to reach.

or do you just totally ignore the dangers those kids have been exposed to crossing mexico, land of the violent drug gangs?

Since when have you cared?
 

ok doser

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In the context of immigration: No.

how about in the context of escaping poverty by making your child work? is that ok with you?

And how easy for you say it, sitting safely behind your keyboard.

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These parents are leaving the place that has more danger for them than the place they're trying to reach.

that's an unproven assumption - many illegal immigrants are just seeking better financial opportunities

Since when have you cared?

about what?
 

The Barbarian

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It's instructive that his latest abuse, that of separating children from their parents, has lost him the support of many evangelicals who formerly supported him.

More than two dozen of the largest religious groups in the U.S. are imploring the Trump administration to change its "zero tolerance" policy that leads to children being separated from parents caught illegally crossing the border.

And during an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network this week, Franklin Graham, a staunch supporter of President Donald Trump, said the practice of separating families was “disgraceful.”

The growing list of religious leaders and organizations writing letters and making statements includes several leading evangelical churches and institutions, which often align themselves with Republicans politically.

"As evangelical Christians guided by the Bible, one of our core convictions is that God has established the family as the fundamental building block of society. The state should separate families only in the rarest of instances,” Russell Moore, President of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, and other evangelical leaders wrote in a group letter to the White House.

The letter, also signed by the National Association of Evangelicals, Council for Christian Colleges and Universities, National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and others, went on to call the “traumatic effects” of separation potentially “devastating,” “long-lasting,” and “of utmost concern.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rel...white-house-stop-separating/story?id=55905666

Someone remarked that the religious right would put up with any kind of corruption from Trump. But it appears they draw the line at abusing children. This issue seems to be separating the followers of Jesus from the "cultural Christians."
 

ok doser

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... The state should separate families only in the rarest of instances,...


such as when the parents involve the children in the commission of a crime?

such as when the parents put their children's lives at risk by illegally transiting violence-prone Mexico?
 

Danoh

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It's instructive that his latest abuse, that of separating children from their parents, has lost him the support of many evangelicals who formerly supported him.

More than two dozen of the largest religious groups in the U.S. are imploring the Trump administration to change its "zero tolerance" policy that leads to children being separated from parents caught illegally crossing the border.

And during an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network this week, Franklin Graham, a staunch supporter of President Donald Trump, said the practice of separating families was “disgraceful.”

The growing list of religious leaders and organizations writing letters and making statements includes several leading evangelical churches and institutions, which often align themselves with Republicans politically.

"As evangelical Christians guided by the Bible, one of our core convictions is that God has established the family as the fundamental building block of society. The state should separate families only in the rarest of instances,” Russell Moore, President of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, and other evangelical leaders wrote in a group letter to the White House.

The letter, also signed by the National Association of Evangelicals, Council for Christian Colleges and Universities, National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference and others, went on to call the “traumatic effects” of separation potentially “devastating,” “long-lasting,” and “of utmost concern.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rel...white-house-stop-separating/story?id=55905666

Someone remarked that the religious right would put up with any kind of corruption from Trump. But it appears they draw the line at abusing children. This issue seems to be separating the followers of Jesus from the "cultural Christians."

Well, it's about time.

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And He said unto the Trump's of the world and their blind supporting kind...

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Rom. 5:6-8.
 

annabenedetti

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Heartbreaking. This administration is evil. Those who voted it into power for just this reason are evil and those who just didn't want Hillary are complicit with evil.


Listen to Children Who’ve Just Been Separated From Their Parents at the Border




The desperate sobbing of 10 Central American children, separated from their parents one day last week by immigration authorities at the border, makes for excruciating listening. Many of them sound like they’re crying so hard, they can barely breathe. They scream “Mami” and “Papá” over and over again, as if those are the only words they know.

The baritone voice of a Border Patrol agent booms above the crying. “Well, we have an orchestra here,” he jokes. “What’s missing is a conductor.”

Then a distraught but determined 6-year-old Salvadoran girl pleads repeatedly for someone to call her aunt. Just one call, she begs anyone who will listen. She says she’s memorized the phone number, and at one point, rattles it off to a consular representative. “My mommy says that I’ll go with my aunt,” she whimpers, “and that she’ll come to pick me up there as quickly as possible.”

An audio recording obtained by ProPublica adds real-life sounds of suffering to a contentious policy debate that has so far been short on input from those with the most at stake: immigrant children. More than 2,300 of them have been separated from their parents since April, when the Trump administration launched its “zero tolerance” immigration policy, which calls for prosecuting all people who attempt to illegally enter the country and taking away the children they brought with them. More than 100 of those children are under the age of 4. The children are initially held in warehouses, tents or big box stores that have been converted into Border Patrol detention facilities.





 

glorydaz

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such as when the parents involve the children in the commission of a crime?

such as when the parents put their children's lives at risk by illegally transiting violence-prone Mexico?

Exploiting these children being smuggled over the border as sex slaves is big business. The progressives don't seem to mind that any more than they mind ripping children from the wombs of their mothers. That's sad. :nono:
 

The Barbarian

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No one is buying the excuses. Even many evangelicals are breaking with Trump over this, and his party is starting to distance themselves from him.


Franklin Graham Blasts Trump’s Immigrant Family Separations At Border
“It’s disgraceful, and it’s terrible to see families ripped apart and I don’t support that one bit,” the evangelist said.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/franklin-graham-blasts-trump-border_us_5b223db7e4b09d7a3d7a7c16

Ryan opposes Trump policy of separating immigrant children from parents
Ryan said a draft of a compromise immigration bill that circulated on Capitol Hill late Thursday would end the practice of dividing families detained at the border.

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/14/paul-ryan-opposes-separating-immigrant-children-parents/

Majority of US voters oppose separating parents from their children
A majority of American voters oppose the policy of separating children and parents when families illegally cross the US-Mexico border.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...n-poll-says/E8U05CghtOSwA7rnrhLeNJ/story.html

As you may know, some families seeking asylum from their home country cross the US border illegally and then request asylum. In an attempt to discourage this, the Trump administration has been prosecuting the parents immediately, which means separating parents from their children. Do you support or oppose this policy?
Support 27% Oppose 66%

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...n-poll-says/E8U05CghtOSwA7rnrhLeNJ/story.html
 

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Former White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci has become the latest Trump ally to urge the president to bring an end to the policy of separating families at the Mexican border. “[Trump] has to step in there and has to end this thing because I think it is an atrocious policy. It’s inhumane, it’s offensive to the average American. When you think about American values, it does not represent American values.” Scaramucci’s intervention came the morning after comments from first lady Melania Trump, who said there has to be more “heart” in her husband's border policy, and former first lady Laura Bush, who called the forced separation policy “cruel” and “immoral.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/scaramucci-trump-must-end-inhumane-forced-child-separations
 
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