Unless You Believe That I Am "HE" (GOD) You Will Die In Your Sins, John 8:24

beloved57

beloved57

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Unless You Believe That I Am "HE" (GOD) You Will Die In Your Sins, John 8:24
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That can only apply to them that Christ did not die for, because Christ died for the sins of some already, His Sheep which do believe on Him, if one does not believe on Him its simply because they were not of His Sheep that He died for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Jesus gives the cause of unbelief, its when men and women are not of His Sheep !
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
You are pretty good at twisting scripture to try and prove your perverted anti-Christ doctrine.

Lets look at what the Bible really says.

"For BY HIM were all things created, that are in heaven and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities or powers: all things were created BY HIM and for him" Colossians 1:16.

"And he is before all things, and by him all things consist" Colossians 1:17.
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Your doctrine is antichrist, you teach that men and women for whom Christ died, still can wind up dying in their sins in unbelief ! Thats as antichrist as it can get !
 
OCTOBER23

OCTOBER23

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ITS EASY TO BELIEVE THAT HE IS HE

Because........

He had his own Fan Club

He had them write books about him.

He gave us some Games to Play with some Beads.

He had some Portraits commissioned and Statuettes

And He left His Bed Sheet behind with the glowing DNA.

What more could you ask ??? :rotfl:
 
freelight

freelight

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Semantics...........

Semantics...........

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First of all, I don't see any justification for daqq being 'banned' for posting 'gobblety gook' in post #158 here, (see Woodshed report here) when anyone with a standard English education could understand his commentary, and its clear conclusion (especially clarified in his last paragraph). Granted quoting from concordances naturally will be more complex in their lay-out, but this is for those who really want to be more stringent in the research. But 'gobblety gook'?....come on.

To touch on the passage concerned,....it can be interpreted in various ways, but it does not necessitate that Jesus is claiming to be 'God Almighty' here, since Jesus specifies his distinction from the person of God the Father here (in context) as the one whom He sent (his anointed agent or messenger), and to reject Jesus is surely to reject the one who sent him, which is what Jesus is driving home here in so many words. - that's whats being communicated here, NOT that Jesus must be 'God' somehow. Jesus doesn't say this,....but ever reiterates that he and God's testimony or joined in harmony and this joining of their 'word' (2 witnesses) validates his message as being from 'God', he being God's representative. Anything 'extra' tossed in is 'eisegesis'.

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But back to Daqq's post mentioned above, as far as all things being created 'thru' Jesus, as opposed to 'by' Jesus, again this is a grammatical issues of how one 'translates' the text, among other 'semantics' (apples, oranges?),...but still.....God creates thru his 'logos', translate that any way you like,....AND Jesus is still God's Son, God's anointed messenger/prophet, God's representative...the one whom God sent, the one who speaks for God. Add into the mix your own brand of 'Christology' as you wish,....many perspectives are included in this, in various contexts. One point of view, may be just as good, or not as appropriate as another, hence applying reason and textual criticism as needed.

So daqq's conclusion still holds, and could be further researched of course -

You simply have the wrong understanding of "by" which does not come "through" in English. Messiah Yeshua the Word is the channel or vessel through which the Father created all things. This means that the Father Himself is the SOURCE of the CREATIVE POWER.
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Split hairs as you like,....one will die in their sins because they reject God by rejecting Jesus, that's the point. To reject Jesus is to reject God. That God creates all thing thru his 'logos' (creative thought/word, divine reason/wisdom, ordering intelligence, plan/purpose/design) is another subject.
 
Nanja

Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Israel is the World that Jesus is the Saviour of, the Elect.
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Yes!

Salvation was not promised to all of humanity, but exclusively to Israel Acts 13:23;
only a remnant of all humanity Rom. 11:5; God's Elect, who were given Grace
before the World began 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 1:1-2!

Luke 1:68
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people

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keypurr

keypurr

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Robert Pate said:
You are pretty good at twisting scripture to try and prove your perverted anti-Christ doctrine.

Lets look at what the Bible really says.

"For BY HIM were all things created, that are in heaven and that are in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities or powers: all things were created BY HIM and for him" Colossians 1:16.

"And he is before all things, and by him all things consist" Colossians 1:17.
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Your the one doing the twisting, God created all through his son Christ. That does not mean they are equal. Christ has the same God we have over him.
 
6days

6days

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keypurr said:
I did prove that he does not have all the power of his creator.
Only the Father knows when Christ will return.
Disprove the words of your Lord GM. No one is equal to the Father.
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Yes Keypurr...... Only God the Father knows.
I'm going to create a thread using that line.

However, the Son and the Father are one.
 
keypurr

keypurr

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freelight said:
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First of all, I don't see any justification for daqq being 'banned' for posting 'gobblety gook' in post #158 here, (see Woodshed report here) when anyone with a standard English education could understand his commentary, and its clear conclusion (especially clarified in his last paragraph). Granted quoting from concordances naturally will be more complex in their lay-out, but this is for those who really want to be more stringent in the research. But 'gobblety gook'?....come on.

To touch on the passage concerned,....it can be interpreted in various ways, but it does not necessitate that Jesus is claiming to be 'God Almighty' here, since Jesus specifies his distinction from the person of God the Father here (in context) as the one whom He sent (his anointed agent or messenger), and to reject Jesus is surely to reject the one who sent him, which is what Jesus is driving home here in so many words. - that's whats being communicated here, NOT that Jesus must be 'God' somehow. Jesus doesn't say this,....but ever reiterates that he and God's testimony or joined in harmony and this joining of their 'word' (2 witnesses) validates his message as being from 'God', he being God's representative. Anything 'extra' tossed in is 'eisegesis'.

~*~*~

But back to Daqq's post mentioned above, as far as all things being created 'thru' Jesus, as opposed to 'by' Jesus, again this is a grammatical issues of how one 'translates' the text, among other 'semantics' (apples, oranges?),...but still.....God creates thru his 'logos', translate that any way you like,....AND Jesus is still God's Son, God's anointed messenger/prophet, God's representative...the one whom God sent, the one who speaks for God. Add into the mix your own brand of 'Christology' as you wish,....many perspectives are included in this, in various contexts. One point of view, may be just as good, or not as appropriate as another, hence applying reason and textual criticism as needed.

So daqq's conclusion still holds, and could be further researched of course -



Split hairs as you like,....one will die in their sins because they reject God by rejecting Jesus, that's the point. To reject Jesus is to reject God. That God creates all thing thru his 'logos' (creative thought/word, divine reason/wisdom, ordering intelligence, plan/purpose/design) is another subject.
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We are in agreement on this friend. Why are folks limiting their selves by not learning the true Hebrew names for Jesus Christ. Are they insecure in their faith, don't they see that English translations can have errors or the meaning of verses changed by the translations. Are they really that dumb?

There is a lot to be learned by understanding the words from the original text as recorded in the original language of the time. To give an infraction for what he posted is ridiculous. Daqq only posted his opinion from all his knowledge. They just do not understand his words.
 
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