Ukraine Crisis

[TomO]

Anybody who is OK with this global disorder is an absolute anarchist who believes that endless war is the ideal state for Man.

Yeah, I hate to tell you but this "global disorder" is the result of statist's and their policies and actions.

I've got all of human history to demonstrate that statist's, and the overbearing gangs that they think protect them, are the true pursuers of war.

One more spitball of knowledge for ya BTW...They don't protect you...No more than an Overseer protects property.

They protect The Owners℠

 

[Idolater]

Yeah, I hate to tell you but this "global disorder" is the result of statist's and their policies and actions.

I've got all of human history to demonstrate that statist's, and the overbearing gangs that they think protect them, are the true pursuers of war.

One more spitball of knowledge for ya BTW...They don't protect you...No more than an Overseer protects property.

They protect The Owners℠

I'm talking about our global quote-unquote "order" where we've got 200 sovereign states all trying to live on the same planet together, which is getting smaller and smaller as our population and tech grows and grows. All we can do is harangue and hope that no one goes rogue. Our tech in nuclear guns has surpassed the rationality of this "order" which I called disorder, because that's what it is.

 

[TomO]

I'm talking about our global quote-unquote "order" where we've got 200 sovereign states all trying to live on the same planet together, which is getting smaller and smaller as our population and tech grows and grows. All we can do is harangue and hope that no one goes rogue. Our tech in nuclear guns has surpassed the rationality of this "order" which I called disorder, because that's what it is.

So am I...You are being myopic.

The "order" is simply inconvenient to you personally right now for whatever reason, and I'm sure you have been angered by the discomfort of others.
The order you are referring to has existed since Gen.9:6...It exists now and will continue to exist until HIS return when HE will grind this "order" under HIS Feet.
Until then...Same as it ever was, this is just another reshuffling of the deck. It is true the weapons are greater and the directly affected area is the whole world the whole time, and perhaps this is evidence that it's the last great reshuffle...I don't know.

I just know the answer is not in the principles of the "order" of the world...And blaming those who recognize this is unfair.

 

[Jefferson]

Ukraine continues shelling innocent civilians.

 

[ok doser]

Ukraine continues shelling innocent civilians.

Your tax dollars at work

I sure hope the big guy got his 10% cut

 

[Idolater]

So am I...You are being myopic.

My vision here's as clear as crystal. I understand the problem and the root cause of the problem. It is 200 sovereign states. We need one sovereign state. Then threats like nukes go away, for starters.

The "order" is simply inconvenient to you personally right now

There simply is no order right now.

for whatever reason

Because it's time we take political responsibility as human beings.

, and I'm sure you have been angered by the discomfort of others.

No. I'm only angered by what Russia is doing, which shines a glaring light on our global lack of order, our global disorder. We're all complicit (politically, as nations), and we're all responsible.

The order you are referring to has existed since Gen.9:6...It exists now and will continue to exist until HIS return when HE will grind this "order" under HIS Feet.

There is no Biblical or Christian reason to not pursue a better political situation in this world right now.

Until then...Same as it ever was, this is just another reshuffling of the deck. It is true the weapons are greater and the directly affected area is the whole world the whole time, and perhaps this is evidence that it's the last great reshuffle...I don't know.

It's within our ability to build a global political order. To begin. To sow the seeds.

I just know the answer is not in the principles of the "order" of the world...And blaming those who recognize this is unfair.

Our Constitution is pretty good, I disagree with you. It's definitely the best idea going, and there's no close second.

 

[TomO]

It's within our ability to build a global political order. To begin. To sow the seeds.

Good luck idolater.

 

[Gary K]

Yeah, I hate to tell you but this "global disorder" is the result of statist's and their policies and actions.

I've got all of human history to demonstrate that statist's, and the overbearing gangs that they think protect them, are the true pursuers of war.

One more spitball of knowledge for ya BTW...They don't protect you...No more than an Overseer protects property.

They protect The Owners℠

I was going to post this in the bubble has burst thread but it fits just as well here as well in any "vaccine" or covid thread and in any discussion about geoengineering.

Micah 3:1 And I said:
Hear, you heads of Jacob
and rulers of the house of Israel! Is it not for you to know justice?—
2 you who hate the good and love the evil,
who tear the skin from off my people
and their flesh from off their bones,
3 who eat the flesh of my people,
and flay their skin from off them,
and break their bones in pieces and chop them up like meat in a pot,
like flesh in a cauldron.
4 Then they will cry to the Lord,
but he will not answer them;
he will hide his face from them at that time,because they have made their deeds evil.

 

[marke]

My vision here's as clear as crystal. I understand the problem and the root cause of the problem. It is 200 sovereign states. We need one sovereign state. Then threats like nukes go away, for starters.

There simply is no order right now.

Because it's time we take political responsibility as human beings.

No. I'm only angered by what Russia is doing, which shines a glaring light on our global lack of order, our global disorder. We're all complicit (politically, as nations), and we're all responsible.

There is no Biblical or Christian reason to not pursue a better political situation in this world right now.

It's within our ability to build a global political order. To begin. To sow the seeds.

Our Constitution is pretty good, I disagree with you. It's definitely the best idea going, and there's no close second.

A one-world government will not make crime and evil go away, it will just introduce totalitarian brutality in failed efforts to deal with the problem that totalitarian brutality can never deal with anyway. Even after the antichrist is sitting on the throne of a semblance of one-world government there will continue wars and fighting around the world until Jesus returns to set up His kingdom on earth and to put down all wicked human rule.

 

[Idolater]

A one-world government will not make crime and evil go away

I never said that it would. I'm talking about nuclear threat, just to begin with.

, it will just introduce totalitarian brutality in failed efforts to deal with the problem that totalitarian brutality can never deal with anyway.

The United States Constitution is totalitarian? It's even possibly totalitarian? No.

Even after the antichrist is sitting on the throne of a semblance of one-world government there will continue wars and fighting around the world until Jesus returns to set up His kingdom on earth and to put down all wicked human rule.

There's no throne in the United States government. If there is, it must be very big because all of the electorate sit on it.

 

[Gary K]

Good luck idolater.

And now this government propagandist is claiming to not recognize blatant sarcasm.

 

[ok doser]

Good luck idolater.

 

[marke]

I never said that it would. I'm talking about nuclear threat, just to begin with.

The United States Constitution is totalitarian? It's even possibly totalitarian? No.

There's no throne in the United States government. If there is, it must be very big because all of the electorate sit on it.

The United States as an independent nation is in danger of becoming just another subservient state of the atheistic one-world body if our modern democrat one-worlders have their way.

 

[Idolater]

The United States as an independent nation is in danger of becoming just another subservient state of the atheistic one-world body if our modern democrat one-worlders have their way.

Yeah, but I'm not one of them. I'm just a plain old fashioned Republican. I believe, with reason, that our Constitution is something special, something that deserves to be the pioneering compact to organize our needed one-world global order. Basically America should expand. The whole world should be under our Constitution. It's the most stable, solid form of government the world's ever seen and that's hands down.

 

[marke]

Yeah, but I'm not one of them. I'm just a plain old fashioned Republican. I believe, with reason, that our Constitution is something special, something that deserves to be the pioneering compact to organize our needed one-world global order. Basically America should expand. The whole world should be under our Constitution. It's the most stable, solid form of government the world's ever seen and that's hands down.

The world despises capitalism and wealthy Americans. Americans will not accept integration into one-world socialist Marxist poverty and the world will not accept God bless American individual wealth and freedoms.

 

[Idolater]

The world despises capitalism and wealthy Americans. Americans will not accept integration into one-world socialist Marxist poverty and the world will not accept God bless American individual wealth and freedoms.

So don't even try? I don't share your pessimism. And after Ukraine, only a buffoon would think that multiple sovereign states, while there are nuclear guns out there, is an acceptable "world order". It's the height of irresponsibility.

 

[marke]

So don't even try? I don't share your pessimism. And after Ukraine, only a buffoon would think that multiple sovereign states, while there are nuclear guns out there, is an acceptable "world order". It's the height of irresponsibility.

I cannot imagine why any reasonable person would think a one-world government would be better for Christians and Americans than subjection to an atheist fascist totalitarian government, and no one-world government will be able to control all the wicked, power-hungry, greedy, narcissist, human, wannabe rulers in the world without itself being fascist and totalitarian.

 

[Idolater]

I cannot imagine why any reasonable person would think a one-world government would be better for Christians and Americans than subjection to an atheist fascist totalitarian government, and no one-world government will be able to control all the wicked, power-hungry, greedy, narcissist, human, wannabe rulers in the world without itself being fascist and totalitarian.

I think the Constitution's government could do that.

 

[Jefferson]

So don't even try? I don't share your pessimism. And after Ukraine, only a buffoon would think that multiple sovereign states, while there are nuclear guns out there, is an acceptable "world order". It's the height of irresponsibility.

Scriptures make it clear that national sovereignty, including clearly defined borders, is God's idea. In Acts 17:26, we read, "And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place..."

Two things, we are told, are under God's sovereign control: how long a nation lasts, and where its borders are. The verb translated "having determined" is the Greek verb "horizo," from which we get the word "horizon." It means "to mark out, to define." So God has marked out and defined the borders of each country.

 

[marke]

I think the Constitution's government could do that.

That is why I support traditional Christian views and values and oppose atheistic socialist and communist views.