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glorydaz

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Iow, no, it was not easy

Was it worth it?

Why are you trying to mix apples and oranges?

We are talking about adultery, right? Specifically a spouse being put to death for having sex outside of marriage, right? Two consenting adults having sex. Let's just stick with that one, lest we start talking about killing everyone for one thing or another.
 

George Affleck

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I didn't answer it at all, because it's unsupported opinion

It's easily disproved by examining history - when adultery was dealt with harshly in the past, it didn't lead to a de-stabilization of marriage as an institution

Pretty bold statement. Would you care to give an example of a state, in the past, where marriages were not arranged or forced where the penalty for adultery was death?

Arranged/forced marriages and punishing adultery are birds of a feather - they go together. The best example of "destabilization" of marriage is when 2 people are not allowed to make the decision to marry whom they choose of their own free will.

India: marriages are initiated by elders, adultery is punishable on the man only for up to 5 years in prison.
Pakistan: Most marriages are arranged even when children are infants, adultery is punishable by death.

Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen: marriages are mostly arranged or forced, death penalty for adultery.

In Japan, as pre-arranged marriages have declined, the penalty for adultery has lessened.

Ancient China had arranged marriages and torture for adulterers. Modern China, being communist, has no arranged marriages and no greater penalty than in any U.S. state for adultery.
 

ok doser

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Why are you trying to mix apples and oranges?

We are talking about adultery, right? Specifically a spouse being put to death for having sex outside of marriage, right? Two consenting adults having sex. Let's just stick with that one, lest we start talking about killing everyone for one thing or another.

It was a response to your complaint that proving adultery wouldn't be easy
 

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So, they cannot be condemned under the law as the Jews were.

There is no stoning listed anywhere concerning the Gentiles, is there? There is no list of rules and regulations like those given to Israel. Why is that?
Good question.
 

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It should be....then there would be less crime. :chuckle:

Indications that a sexual relationship might be going on is not evidence at all.
There is a ritual in the law for a husband that suspects his wife is unfaithful when there is no witness.

But as you have said, this was a law for Israel.

Numbers 5:11-31 KJV
(11) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
(12) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
(13) And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;
(14) And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
(15) Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
(16) And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
(17) And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
(18) And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
(19) And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
(20) But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
(21) Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
(22) And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
(23) And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
(24) And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
(25) Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:
(26) And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
(27) And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
(28) And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
(29) This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
(30) Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.
(31) Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.
 

glorydaz

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Ever use a forensic rape kit?

No, not yet

I've been trained with them, though.

And there's no reason they wouldn't work equally well in a charge of adultery

You can't force a "victim" to have one. So what good would it do in the charge of adultery?

Who do you think is the victim in the case of adultery?

That's my point. Who would you require to take the "forensic rape kit" test?
Who would be the victim of the "rape" or sex act if it was consensual?
 

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That's my point. Who would you require to take the "forensic rape kit" test?
Who would be the victim of the "rape" or sex act if it was consensual?
Why is this such a hard thing for you to answer, when Doser (and, iirc, I too) has already given you the answer.

The victim of adultery is the spouse or spouses of the ones who committed the crime.

As for the rape kit (would have to rename it...), it would be used on the woman who committed adultery. Not on the victims, silly, but on the accused.
 

ok doser

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Why is this such a hard thing for you to answer, when Doser (and, iirc, I too) has already given you the answer.

The victim of adultery is the spouse or spouses of the ones who committed the crime.

As for the rape kit (would have to rename it...), it would be used on the woman who committed adultery. Not on the victims, silly, but on the accused.

On the accused man and the woman

We saw this with the accused Duke lacrosse players
 
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