Trump: Racist Firestorm

[Alate_One]

When 90% of blacks killed are killed by other blacks what else is one supposed to think? That blacks killing blacks is a good thing done by moral people?

And most white people are killed by other white people! Yeah that means white people are the worst! right?

 

[Alate_One]

That blacks killing blacks is a good thing done by moral people? And when 52% of total crime is committed by 13% of the population it says that 13% of the population has a moral problem when that 13% is the black community.

Blah Blah blah, crime in black communities is caused by "poor morals". News flash, most incarcerations are due to drug offenses, and both blacks and whites use drugs at a similar rate. But guess which race gets more prison time? It's not the white people who get the benefit of the doubt.

So even statistics of "criminality" aren't objective measures of morality, they also reflect the criminal justice system which is stacked against people of color.

 

[The Barbarian]

Blah Blah blah, crime in black communities is caused by "poor morals". News flash, most incarcerations are due to drug offenses, and both blacks and whites use drugs at a similar rate. But guess which race gets more prison time? It's not the white people who get the benefit of the doubt.

So even statistics of "criminality" aren't objective measures of morality, they also reflect the criminal justice system which is stacked against people of color.

The disparity between penalties for cocaine and crack cocaine (there is no evidence one is worse in any way than the other) was greatly reduced a few years ago, but it's still a disparity, with no reason for it, other than black people tend to use one form of the drug, and white people tend to use the other.

 

[Alate_One]

The disparity between penalties for cocaine and crack cocaine (there is no evidence one is worse in any way than the other) was greatly reduced a few years ago, but it's still a disparity, with no reason for it, other than black people tend to use one form of the drug, and white people tend to use the other.

Also, identical crimes get harsher sentences if you're black.

 

[Lighthouse]

Gee you should listen to yourself on this point. You've espoused plenty of ideas that show you don't believe in facts.

Such as?

Don't follow the news very well do you?

He had to do that, because the dems won't approve new money for anything at the border.

And the wall is a permanent solution whereas the holding facilities are temporary. If the wall is built they won't need the holding facilities anymore.

That's the problem with you leftists; no ability to think long term.

Most administrations didn't imprison EVERYONE that crossed.

Which is why we're in the position we are with this issue. And they still don't catch everyone.

You do know that when the previous administrations were letting people go they would run and as they had no documentation they would disappear into the wind.

You do know that presenting yourself for asylum is legal right? And no you don't have to do it at a legal border crossing.

You have to do it at a place for that. When you cross at an unguarded spot on the border that's not a place to do that. And getting caught and then claiming that you're seeking asylum is suspect.

Also, the document that discusses seeking asylum states that you must necessarily seek it at the first country that isn't one people are seeking asylum from. But when Mexico offered these alleged refugees asylum they rejected it.

Also, to seek asylum in another country certain criteria must be met, regarding the conditions in the country from which you are fleeing.

Gee when they're crying for mama and papa we should definitely rely on DNA tests . . . How about simply recognizing that separating kids from their caregivers causes permanent harm. But you'd have to be pro-child and not just pro life to care about that . . .

Show me kids crying for their parents. Give me a valid reason not to separate criminals from their families [or do you think we should just throw them all into jail together?] We separate thieves, murderers, rapists, etc. from their children all the time. Why is this different? And why weren't you whining about it before Trump?

You have some real mental gymnastics on this one. Denial of service isn't a bug, it's by Trump administration design. They think it will deter border crossers. It doesn't. It just hurts people. Blaming democrats is just that blameshifting. Isn't that what Cain did when God asked him about murdering his brother? Do you think God is cheering on the separation and detention of vulnerable people in poor conditions?

So your claim is that the dems aren't denying funding? And that the company supplying mattresses wasn't hit with a strike from leftist employees?

And, no, Cain didn't shift blame; he straight up lied about knowing where his brother was.

Maybe you should open up the books of the law and see for yourself what God says we should do with border hoppers.

Also, that article doesn't make a single mention of denial of service.

The President, by being the racist in chief.

You still haven't proven that. What, specifically, has he said [or done] that is racist, or tells anyone else that it's okay to be racist?

White supremacists were "directly responsible" for 18 out of 34 U.S. extremist-related deaths in 2017, the ADL said. Islamic extremists, by comparison, were only responsible for nine deaths in America.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...most-extremist-killings-2017-adl-says-n838896

Here's a list of white supremacist killings since Oklahoma City.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ers-killed-at-least-70-in-u-s-since-1995.html

The ADL and the SPLC? You do know the latter is classified as a hate group, right?

And neither article provides a single link to any evidence to back up any of the claims that these were acts committed by white supremacists, or even that they were right wing.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The logo — a red, white and blue image of a lion surrounded by stars reportedly representing the “original colonies” that voted for Trump in the GOP primaries — has been used by VDare.com, which the Southern Poverty Law Center characterizes as an anti-immigrant hate group.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a leftist hate group, you should stop relying on them to tell you what to think.

 

[genuineoriginal]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rses-donald-trump-for-president-a7392801.html

Okay, you are a self-identified member of the KKK.
That is your problem.
It is not my problem and it is not Trump's problem.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Barbie thinks voting for a racist makes you a racist :kookoo:

That would make everyone who voted for Obama a racist. :think:

 

[genuineoriginal]

Trump is the textbook definition of a racist. He promotes ideas that discriminate on the basis of race and promotes policies that do the same.

Leftists are the textbook racists and are only projecting their own racism onto Trump.

 

[genuineoriginal]

It isn't a blanket opposition of illegal immigration. Most people simply overstay their visas

So, the first thing they did to enter this country is get a visa?
:thumb:

[Trump] goes after people crossing the southern border, who he called rapists and criminals.

Do they have a visa?
No?
Then they have entered the USA illegally.
Are there rapists and criminals among the people that enter the USA illegally?

Fifth illegal alien arrested on rape charges in a month in sanctuary MD county It’s not clear how many times this needs to happen before the sanctuary politicians are willing to recognize there’s a sex offender problem among illegal aliens, but it appears there is now a fifth case of an illegal alien alleged rape in Montgomery County, Maryland, in a month.

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Yes, there are rapists and criminals among the people that have entered the USA illegally.

Are one of the racists that think Trump is wrong because he is white and that a brown rapist in the USA illegally is a better person because of his skin color and country of origin?

 

[genuineoriginal]

That sentiment so accurately applies to how we should deal with you that you should put it in your signature.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Uhh, shall we talk about the Latino judge that Trump said couldn't be fair because he was of Mexican heritage (born in Indiana).

The "muslim" ban, that affected nearly all people of Middle Eastern Descent.

The current insistence on poor facilities for people crossing the southern border, family separation, deportation of people here for medical treatment. These affect mostly Latinx people and the global poor which are often non-white.

He wanted to defund the EPA office of environmental justice (Tries to promote racial equity in environmental issues).

Remarks about S-hole countries and how we should get more immigrants from Norway.

The consistent dismissal of the problems in Puerto Rico, but approval of aid for Florida.

Mass shooters that are white supremacists are little talked about or called "crazy", but muslim shooters he rails about.

I could keep going but . . .

You could keep going but your examples are all about people that are being treated differently because of their criminal intent and not their skin color, which completely invalidates your argument.
:thumb:

 

[genuineoriginal]

Banning the entire population of a country because of the actions of a few people is the definition of a racist action.

Because the "entire population" of North Korea is affected by the travel restrictions, it is a racist action despite the fact that the exact same race of people live in South Korea and are not under the travel restrictions?

No, it is not a racist action.

A ban over an entire country is racist since it paints everyone in said country with the same brush. It's grouping people with racial stereotypes that is problematic. Restrictions based on actions would not be problematic so long as they were applied equally.

You really need to think these things through.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Not quite. Saudi Arabia was exempted. As you might remember, most of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.

But Trump has a lot of business projects in Saudi Arabia.

You are looking in the wrong place.
Saudi Arabia is part of the 1951 Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement and their troops have been training with American troops continually since that time.
That is a much more compelling reason for Saudi Arabia to be exempted from the travel ban than the things you are imagining.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Can you agree this is not at all the argument I was making? You're beating an imaginary dead horse.

5 of the seven countries would be considered by the average person with racist ideas as middle eastern. The other two you listed are still majority people of color.

Not included was any majority Muslim nation with a majority white population, say Azerbaijan.

Also not included was the Muslim nation of Sudan.
Is Trump racist because he didn't include Sudan?

 

[genuineoriginal]

There are no non-racist people, only racist and anti-racist.

It is my experience that anti-racist people are much more racist that racists.

 

[genuineoriginal]

We should evaluate the value and behavior of the individual, not the group.

And when white males try to do that, they are called racists.

 

[genuineoriginal]

which "race" would you categorize obama as?

My first guess is that Obama is from the Human "race".

 

[genuineoriginal]

No, but it is racist to assign inherent value to IQ tests or to assume they reflect a genetic difference in intelligence. So you know what the strongest correlation is with SAT exam scores? Income level.

Wrong, the strongest correlation is coming from two-parent families, not income level.

 

[genuineoriginal]

What my beliefs are with regards to race really doesn't make any difference in regards to whether Trump is a racist or not. Either someone discriminates on the basis of race or they don't. He also clearly views some races as superior to others.

Do you have any proof that Trump views some races as superior to others?
So far I haven't seen any evidence that Trump discriminates on the basis of skin color.