GuySmiley
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You could just provide the reference in the Qu'ran, or you could just admit you were wrong. The topic is what the Qu'ran claims, not what Muslims claim about it. You could be right, I don't know.
toldailytopic: Why (or why not) are you convinced that the Bible is the word of God.
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GuySmiley
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I bet you'd also believe that these aren't the droids you are looking for.
You keep saying that books declare themselves to be holy and then when called on it you keep changing your tune.
Muslims claim their book to be holy.
Christians claim their book to be holy.
Atheists claim Dawkins' book to be holy.
We get it. Everyone likes their preferred book.
No, it doesn't. :idunno:
So? Who cares what you think?
Skavau
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The Opening of the Qu'ran
Click here, here and here.
You all know very well the Qu'ran claims to contain the word and directives of God, you're just playing games. Do you all seriously query whether or not the Qu'ran claims to be divine and claims to contain the will of God? Have any of you ever spoke to any Muslim, even a very moderate one? Have any of you ever read any extract of any part of it?
Skavau
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The Qu'ran does declare itself to be holy and the word of God and is believed by every single Muslim that it is. Some go further and decree that the Qu'ran should be the standard for every person's live on the planet.
Atheists don't claim Dawkins' book to be holy.
It says that your position is ridiculous and that you are unable to back it up to anyone who disagrees.
Do you understand the concept of a forum? You made a claim in the appropriate thread as to what you considered the Bible to me. You told me that it makes sense and I asked you to explain how, and you instead responded with the frivolous "In what way doesn't it?" and I then explained very briefly why I don't believe it makes sense and you respond with the even more frivolous and dismissive "Who cares what you think?"
Seriously, grow up.
Stripe's shtick here is to be a time waster. He deliberately drags you into a discussion then tries to belabor it by acting stupid. He's a complete buffoon and there's a reason he's on my ignore list--just giving you a head's up. He serves no other purpose here but to string people along.
What does it say? Care to cite a passage or two?
No, but they think it.
I have no interest in sharing why I believe with you past what I've already said.
Sucks to be on the receiving end, don't it?
The bible makes sense. That is the default position. I'm not going to spend endless hours defending that default position when all you have to do is show one way in which it does not make sense.
That would be a silly way to go about it.
alwight
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I will count to three and you will all re-awaken feeling refreshed and happy (but not clappy), no longer believing in invisible imaginary sky spirits...
:noway: (woo woo music) :noway: 1-2-...
Krsto
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Not sure how this relates to the topic at hand but phileo is used only twice from 1 Cor. to 1 Jn., the rest are agape, as is usual in the NT.
Skavau
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Look at my earlier post in this thread on this page to GuySmiley. I have provided references to the opening chapter of the Qu'ran.Stripe said:
I neither think nor claim Dawkins book is holy and I am an atheist. Go figure.
I don't even own his books.
So why do you bother interacting and demeaning people who don't believe as you do if you can't be bothered to explain your own perspective?
What are you talking about? Please citate where I have ever dismissively said to someone "Who cares what you think?" and please citate where I have inanely switched the burden of proof as you have done.
No it is not the default position. You believe the Bible make sense and you presume that it does at default - but that's your presumption, not mine. I have no reason to share it.
Aimiel
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You're quite right, which is why Christians are told:
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: -- 1 Peter 3:15
Krsto
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My God is a byproduct of me meeting people who seemed to have something different inside of them other than the typical human psyche (or spirit, or whatever you might want to call it). One in particular told me what the difference was and I just wanted what she had. I wasn't too worried about my "fundamental difference" with the world around me. Having assurance of eternal life is a nice perk though. :up:
Yeah, it is.
Skavau
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A Muslim could just as pointlessly insist that the Qu'ran being true is the default position. What does it mean to what you actually think? Nothing.
Go and learn what the burden of evidence means.
PyramidHead
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exactly my point: it is a product of want, which occasionally becomes a product of need.
well my reference to the "fundamental difference" between us and the world around us was a reference to early homo sapiens and the world around them, wondering why the whole world seemed to act on instinct but yet we seem able to do otherwise.
PyramidHead
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Of course he's not. He's trolling.
PyramidHead
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why? there are religions older than both Christianity and Judaism. why are they not the default positions?
also Stripe Christianity is only the 'default position' in some places... not everywhere
Also Stripe Christianity is only the 'default position' in some places... not everywhere
Not concerned about everywhere. It's the default position with me.
PyramidHead
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did you mean to say that it was just the default position for you in the post where you claimed that Christianity is the default position?
or did you mean to say Christianity is the Christian's default position?
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