I am very pleased to see you find the phrase "Bible In a Blender" theology so offensive, that was my intention from the git-go.
it was your empty assertion from the get go. You are truly ignorant of my position, and judged me on things you had no foreknowledge of.Typical Christian behavior. I am ashamed to admit it, but there it is. Your presumptiveness was offensive, your ignorance was offensive, your assumptions were offensive, and not only that, they showed you to be a smug southern end of a northbound horse.
It means the same thing as "Cherry Picking" which is exactly what you have done.
You wouldn't know what I've done. You accused before your tiny mind even knew the reasoning behind my claims. You are so busy knowing it all, you forget to find out what the other folx believe before you put them in a box.
You can't deal with your criticism of one interpretation of one scripture without support from other books,
You are yet to do that. You accused first, and I've had to badger you to get any reasoning at all.
so you add the ones that you think will reinforce your position.
if I make a claim on a verse, I will defend it, and I can assure you, that I'll have 10x the time on the verse than you have, and I'll drag you through nearly every book in the NT and most of the ot as well. But, it's nice for you to belittle me so you can spare your delicate infant ego some damage.
You get things out context taking from one book and adding it to another.
More blind assertions. You sure do say YOU DO a lot without showing where I did. It's cowardly behavior.
I think you are offended because my comment hit too close to home, didn't it?
That sentence was screws from the first two words. I think you make assertions with no substance because you can't find substance and just want to run your mouth and try to look big.
Lets look at the scripture in context, shall we?
Can you?
This was the first scripture that I commented on. I said "That they all may be" means they are not. If what I said is not true, the prayer would never have been needed. it was that simple until....
You disagreed.
Well, I wonder why. Let me show you your inferior context. The verse you posted was about the individuals in the church, thus the THEY ALL part. This phrase was dealing with the individuals in the Church that Christ ran. You were using it for the CHURCHES. It's a comment about individuals and Paul defines it in eph 4:12-17. So yes, when you tweaked the verse out and misapplied it, I spoke up. If you include vss 19 and 20 in your examination it's rather painfully clear it's to individuals. Stop changing scripture, I'll stop calling you on it. Deal?
Now let's look at Ephesians 4......
These were also written in the future tense; perfecting,
Did you get this from a crackerjacks box??? it says they are .... until they are perfect, or mature.. there is no future tense to it. WHY THE HECK DO YOU INSIST ON CHANGING SCRIPTURE TO SAVE FACE. Just admit you are lost.
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the [fn]knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature [fn]which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
The mature man there shows an accomplished mature man. Perfect in your kjv instead of mature. You just make it up as you go. Do you use the "Not-so-Strong's concordance?"
,Till we all come in the unity of the faith will become, may grow up, be put away from you,
Ephesians 4 doesn't support your claim, in fact it supports mine.
Perhaps it does after you rewrote it as you did. :|
It's a process! It is not just a process in the church it is a process in each individual.
IT"S A PROCESS FOR INDIVIDUALS, WE WERE DISCUSSING THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH!!!!! It's like saying watermelons are the best steak you can buy! You are off the board on self puffed uppedness. Slow down and read what you say, go back and show me that "perfecting" future tense. It's a statement made to people, who are in the process (we can agree here) who are not yet, but will be perfected on earth before they die. It's not dealing with the CHURCH, but5 with the members of the Church. :|
you also made reference to 1 john 3:6
but skipped over verse 2
I didn't skip anything I'll start in chapter one if you like it's all the same thought process. You are now going to try to say verse two, shows that verse six doesn't say what it says. You are too dumb to realize if you are right, the bible contradicts itself.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
Ok einstein got pen and paper? Who is the WE there. Do you think it's written to YOU. Did you know JOHN around 95AD? I doubt it. So let's look at the "CONTEXT" (your big word for the day...) and define who WE is.
John wrote the letter to a group of people he wanted to be in fellowship with. They were NOT in fellowship at this time. JOHN was in fellowship with God and His Son. Thus those he wrote to were not yet in fellowship with GOD and His Son.
JOHN WAS.
THEY WEREN'T.
but they were saved, they had Christ as their mediator. I've already blown your mind, but take your pompous behind back to chapter one and read it. That's exactly what it says, after you take your presumption and rewriting out of the equation, and just read the words on their merit alone. I think they can stand alone without your redefining... don't yoU?
Here you have two groups of people that are distinctively different in their maturity level with God.
WE, as written by John would be HIS group.
He said in chapter 1 to be in fellowship with God you must walk in the LIGHT AS GOD DOES<<<< not similar, not partially, not sometimes but AS GOD DOES!!!!!
And there is no darkness in HIM, and if you walk (live by) the DARK you aren't in HIM.
John wrote this so they would not sin 2:1A, and when they had a little more darkness washed off, they were that close to being "there". 2:8.
He says to be infellowship with God you must be that maturity you saw back in eph 4, as mature as JESUS was, not less in any way. There are two different authors saying the same thing.
So you can see beyond any linguistic shadow of a doubt, the people JOHN WROTE TO, were not part of JOHN'S "US/WE" in this letter.
3:2 doesn't apply to you, me or everyperson in the church, but rather the mature peeps.
Before you show me 1:8 which doesn't say what you want it to anyway, and tell me no one can be that perfect, get the verses I've presented in my argument, and show me how they don't say what I've intrepreted. YOU CAN NOT DO THAT with other verses in the Bible unless you are a trained Eisegete. That's bad. Thank you for playing and showing you really don't study the Word, but you read it for what you can use.
again we see the oneness with God written about in John17:21,
Yes, you see a oneness for individuals like in John 17. The people with JOHN, not the recipients of the letter were mature and one with Jesus. WE WERE DISCUSSING ONENESS OF DENOMINATIONS IN THE CHURCH!!!!!! you went from discussing spices for fish, to places to fish at and claimed it's the same conversation.
still hasn't happened.
Ignorance or LIE. Paul said it happened in this life, John said it as well. Eph 4 is written about people within the church on earth, not dead yet.
What does it say? If the "church" was one with God, Jesus would have already returned.
Where does it say that?
JESUS will come back and rule the church as a theocracy. It will be unified. A lot of people and denominations of people will not be included there.
Your comment implies we have to get the church fixed so jesus would return. You aren't that big, bub.
it says "when he shall appear".
Yes, it doesn't say you won't be mature until he appears, it says you need to be mature so WHEN HE APPEARS... He's not reappeared yet. HIS appearance is in the future, not the maturity. This is juvenile logic, for someone who would run their mouth like you did, I'd think there would be some substance somewhere.
you also thew Gal5:19-21 into your salad, and ignored verse 5
I didn't ignore crap. You should have asked me about vs 5 before you make a claim, or write an elephant size check your tweety bird size behind can't cash.
Gal5:5
again future tense,
SO? what is the future tense. NOT the people's maturity, but the WAITING FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS! And he's addressing someone that is not mature, who were bungled up with teachers who taught their own gospel. Paul is one group, they are another group.
FURTHERMORE HOW DOES THIS AFFECT 5:19-21, you don't say. So what you have done here is thrown crap on the wall, evaded the point and stuck your chest out like you did something.
I have asked "where" is this oneness?
It's with those in the CHURCH ran by Christ. And that isn't a denomination. Which is the topic. Gal 5:19-21 still shows that divisiveness is of the flesh. That factions are of the flesh, thus the split into factions, i.e. protestant reformation is of the flesh, not the Spirit by Paul's words. But, of course that dummy didn't consult with you first so you could tell him what he meant when he wrote scripture since he thought he was saying something else.
you reply that you are not Oneness....how does "I am not" answer "where"?
There is a ONENESS denomination. You could have been accusing me of being there in their denomination by the words you typed. So I took a wrong turn in your ambiguity and came back and proffered the answer IN CASE you meant it the other way.
Tell me who has become one with God, what man or church? When did Jesus return? 1John3:2
I can offer PAUL and JOHN as examples. Careful you are going to make a fool out of yourself by answering so surely without knowing why I said those two names. But, it's by their own words. HOWEVER, AGAIN the topic is DENOMINATIONS, and you've directed us to individuals. Do you even know what the words you are spitting mean?
EPH 4 shows a person as fully mature as HIm. That's a person there IN HIM, as HE IS IN GOD. 1 3?6 says if you still sin you do not know him and haven't met him. Hard to be IN HIM if you haven't met him. 3:9 says if you are born of HIM, you don't continue to sin, and CAN NOT SIN, period. 5;18 says the same more or less. You can't be IN HIM if you aren't born of Him and haven't seen Him.
You aren't in fellowship with Him if you are still walking in the dark, even a little, there must be no darkness in you. John said he walked in the light AS HE DOES and had NO DARKNESS IN HIM.
Go take a reading comprehension class, and get back on topic.
