toldailytopic: Some say: Hate the sin, love the sinner. But what does God say?
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zoo22
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Means exactly what it says. Jesus died so that all men might be saved.
zoo22
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The whole world.
Uh huh. The whole world might be saved. Do you think the whole world is saved?
SaulToPaul 2
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The question has to be answered dispensationally.
Today, in the dispensation of the grace of God, God is not at enmity with anyone.
He has reconciled himself to all men, having made his Son to be their sin.
2 Cor 5:19 (KJV)
The quotes from the prophets, the four gospels, and Psalms do not reflect the dispensation of the grace of God.
Today, in the dispensation of the grace of God, God is not at enmity with anyone.
He has reconciled himself to all men, having made his Son to be their sin.
2 Cor 5:19 (KJV)
The quotes from the prophets, the four gospels, and Psalms do not reflect the dispensation of the grace of God.
Lon
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David unashamedly hated all enemies of God. Jesus said, "you've heard it said, love your friends but hate your enemies. I tell you to love your enemies and do good to them."
This lends to the 'hate the sin, love the sinner' quip.
Scripture also tells us to advance the cause of the fatherless and orphan. It is given in terms that would envelope their protection and rights. We support policemen and other authorities to do what must be done in the line of protection and defense. Love doesn't turn a blind eye, it simply does good when it is unhindered by love and concern for others.
Concerning love, we adhere to a hierarchy of allegiance. Loving our enemy is on a lower stratus from protecting others against them, also in a commitment that is driven by love and care for those.
This lends to the 'hate the sin, love the sinner' quip.
Scripture also tells us to advance the cause of the fatherless and orphan. It is given in terms that would envelope their protection and rights. We support policemen and other authorities to do what must be done in the line of protection and defense. Love doesn't turn a blind eye, it simply does good when it is unhindered by love and concern for others.
Concerning love, we adhere to a hierarchy of allegiance. Loving our enemy is on a lower stratus from protecting others against them, also in a commitment that is driven by love and care for those.
I agree with STP, the question should be, "but what does God say now?" At times, I've bought into the idea that we should hate sinners. In reality, I love sinners. Especially the ones that admit that they are and have become believers in the only one that can save them - Jesus Christ. I've grown to like sinners that admit they are, but have not yet believed in Christ. I can work with that. There's hope for them. The perfect people first have to be convinced that they are sinners. That can be tough. I'm highly skeptical that reading them the 10 Commandments or the Sermon on the Mount from a book they don't believe in is enough to convict them. But with God it's definitely possible. They too can repent (change their mind) and turn to Christ.
In your belief, what is the opposite of hate?
Krsto
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So in your view the "Word of Reconcilliation" that God has entrusted to us in this dispensation is what?
Huh uh.:nono:
Jesus was teaching that they were not mutually exclusive, i.e. in opposition to each other. He was teaching that perfect hatred [Psalm 139:21-22] works in conjunction with perfect love [1 John 4:18]. Because hatred without love is useless. And love without hatred is as well [Romans 12:9].
Do you think God's character has changed? Do you think God did not love sinner when He hated them? If this is true then why did David write that God hated them [Psalm 5:5], and Jesus taught that He loved them [John 3:6], in the same dispensation?
Lon
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I've read this, or at least a variation (love without sin) of this, several times from different people on here and it concerns me. From where it is coming from, I have no idea, but as a blanket statement it is incorrect.
I wish somebody who held this erroneaus philosophy and can discuss it at length would start a thread on it.
Because the term "sinners" is not a general condemnation for anyone who sins. What Psalm 5:5 (KJV) refers to are "workers of iniquity." Those are the folks who do evil for evil's sake and they worship some one or some thing other than God.
Jesus was quite specific about who those people were and what they were doing to perpetrate evil.
SaulToPaul 2
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To wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them. This is the gospel, 1 Cor 15:1-4
I don't see how Jesus was doing that in that passage.
If apathy is the opposite of love, what is the opposite of hate?
If hate and love are two sides of the same coin then they have the same opposite.
Apathy. No concern.
Yeah, you are way off base. Do you believe that Jesus is God? Yes or no. I will gladly give you it.
genuineoriginal
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Leviticus 19 15Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. 16Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD. 17Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. |
That is what God said.
God said that you should love the sinner enough to judge them and rebuke them so they would repent.
(It grieves me to see that most of the answers are not what God said, but what the poster's religious belief says.)
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