One Eyed Jack
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Not necessarily. As long as we each know what the other is talking about, couldn't we agree to disagree on that particular issue and move forward?
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Not necessarily. As long as we each know what the other is talking about, couldn't we agree to disagree on that particular issue and move forward?
One Eyed Jack
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Energy can also exist in the form of particles (photons, neutrinos, etc.). We're talking about quantum stuff on a subatomic level here. But like I said, I don't subscribe to this particular model (I'm a YEC, myself) -- I'm just throwing it out there for consideration.
You don't want to war over it for thousands of years?
Have it your way, we will be leaving most of the people in this thread behind but they haven't really been doing much anyway.
We didn't build a place like CERN because we know everything.
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It's probably more accurate to say all matter that would have converted into energy will have already done so by then. Everything else would be pretty much dead and inert. You might have some frozen chunks of carbon here and there, or even some super-massive black holes floating around, but unless they crash into each other (which they won't, due to universal expansion), you're not going to get any sort of energetic reaction out of them.
DavisBJ. All matter may not initially convert into heat waves but it eventually will. Once all heat waves are generated and matter is thoroughly dispersed, the remaining matter will collapse again and the heat generating processes will restart anew. Eventually through enough such collapses and heat generating phases, all matter eventually is converted into a dispersed energy in the form of heat waves.
Lovejoy
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Sort of like my kids on a Monday morning.
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And we never will. I have heard that it would galaxy sized colliders to find the smallest, earliest particles. So, you might as well have fun speculating.
:think: We can see colliding galaxies.
There's speculating and then there is believing something for poor reasons.
Which doesn't make it not true by the way.
Lovejoy
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Which is awesome, but I don't think we can build a galaxy sized CERN.
True enough, but if you have no warrant for your belief, I don't care how correct it is. You are still stupid for having it. I firmly believe that. :ha: I hope to find warrant in speculation. Of course, I will still undercut all theories that I find completely wrong, that is, ones that are devastating to my own precious opinions. But then, I am no fool.
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One Eyed Jack
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Or everything could get swallowed up by super-massive black holes that eventually fizzle away due to Hawking radiation. Who knows, really?
Lovejoy
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And they are very pretty, but are not much help to Dr. Hawking, who needs them to do something very different to prove his (and others) kooky M theory stuff.
I heard one where every black hole here is a big bang somewhere else.
And of course our big bang is a black hole somewhere which is a black hole yada yada yada.
Turtles all the way up and down.
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I feel safe in being a bit skeptical about this! But my attitude came up at my last annual eval.
It is this sort of thing that makes me such a terrible debater.
It's your gig, anyway. I am striving for dementia over "fool"ishness.
Better than having your lunch come up.
An over rated endevour. You can lose a debate and still be right or win one and still be wrong. More of a theatre for the masses who need their concepts in sound bites.
How will you know when you've achieved it?
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