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[alwight]

Why then that the majority ,if not all, of the communist regimes are run by atheists? It seems that every time an atheist has a chance to make a difference through governance, they just can't help but to promote regimes that murder millions of people.

If you knew more about communist doctrine then you would know that communist doctrine is to have all the levers of power not just some of them. Religion is such a lever of power which communists try to remove, but their goals are control and power not atheism.

 

[jeffblue101]

Because they were liars, as well as killers and thieves, and they were never communists at all. They were despots. But you won't want to hear that, because you have already made these imaginary "communists" one of your ideological scapegoats.

Lots of theists have also been despots, liars, killers, and thieves, throughout history. So I guess what people profess to believe about God has no bearing on how they behave toward other human beings.

First of all, theists have a logical standard to condemn "despots, liars, killers, and thieves" So yes,a belief in God does have a bearing on how we treat each other. These people saw nothing wrong with their actions because their worldview was based on atheistic naturalism. No system of governance, secular or religious, has come close to the oppression that was inflicted by atheistic communist regimes .

 

[PureX]

So far as I know, communism has not yet been tried on a national scale. And I doubt that it's even possible. What has been called national communism in the past has been basically fascism pretending to be communism. Real communism has so far only been successfully applied in very small groups. And even they did not last for any long periods of time.

The truth is that the ideal of communism just isn't very applicable to human beings. We naturally gravitate toward pyramidal power structures that fundamentally conflict with the communist ideal.

The problem with communism is that it takes equality and sharing to a non-functional extreme. Which is why socialism is a far more common and successful method of human self-governance.

 

[PureX]

First of all, theists have a logical standard to condemn "despots, liars, killers, and thieves" So yes,a belief in God does have a bearing on how we treat each other. These people saw nothing wrong with their actions because their worldview was based on atheistic naturalism. No system of governance, secular or religious, has come close to the oppression that was inflicted by atheistic communist regimes .

Everyone has standards and values by which they can recognize and condemn despots, liars, killers, and thieves. What you imagine in your mind to be the nature of an "atheist" is just a straw man that you made up for yourself. Real atheists are as capable of value judgments and moral imperatives as anyone else is.

 

[jeffblue101]

If you knew more about communist doctrine then you would know that communist doctrine is to have all the levers of power not just some of them. Religion is such a lever of power which communists try to remove, but their goals are control and power not atheism.

I wonder why the main promoters of this doctrine are atheists?

"Religion is such a lever of power which communists try to remove" and your telling me that you don't see the atheism even though your own statement indicates otherwise.

 

[jeffblue101]

Everyone has standards and values by which they can recognize and condemn despots, liars, killers, and thieves. What you imagine in your mind to be the nature of an "atheist" is just a straw man that you made up for yourself. Real atheists are as capable of value judgments and moral imperatives as anyone else is.

Their moral standard is completely arbitrary and subjective, which is incapable of judging another person's actions as wrong. for instance, I consider starving children for an utopian society as absolutely wrong and Stalin considered this a perfectly acceptable decision in order to promote an utopian society. According to your relativistic worldview who is right and who is wrong and why should your standard be the one to judge?

 

[Granite]

Their moral standard is completely arbitrary and subjective, which is incapable of judging another person's actions as wrong. for instance, I consider starving children for an utopian society as absolutely wrong and Stalin considered this a perfectly acceptable decision in order to promote an utopian society. According to your relativistic worldview who is right and who is wrong and why should your standard be the one to judge?

Stalin was no utopian, he was a statist.

 

[PureX]

Their moral standard is completely arbitrary and subjective, which is incapable of judging another person's actions as wrong.

Yeah, I know you really want to believe that, but it's simply wrong. And I know that you think you've chosen some more pure and authoritative value system for making your own moral decisions, but you haven't actually done anything that anyone else doesn't do. And that is to decide for themselves what will be their criteria for moral and ethical behavior. You did this, they do this, we all do it. And for the most part, we all agree on the same basic moral imperative: to do unto others as we would have others do unto us.

for instance, I consider starving children for an utopian society as absolutely wrong and Stalin considered this a perfectly acceptable decision in order to promote an utopian society. According to your relativistic worldview who is right and who is wrong and why should your standard be the one to judge?

Stalin was a psychopath. He had no cohesive moral imperative. He was driven by his lust for blood and power. He doesn't represent atheism any more than he represents Christianity. All Stalin represents is mental illness.

 

[alwight]

I wonder why the main promoters of this doctrine are atheists?

"Religion is such a lever of power which communists try to remove" and your telling me that you don't see the atheism even though your own statement indicates otherwise.

I was telling you that atheism is a tenet of communism because it doesn't want religion interfering with state affairs, meaning leaders like Stalin and his ilk rather had to be atheists. But communism was the cause not atheism.