Right. We agree.
Nope. That's where you conflate. Saying taxation is thievery is just an ignorant statement for someone to make who must either possess a dictionary or access to one. And the Amish aren't robbed when their taxes pay for a military they wouldn't raise.
Without debating the merits of the notion, how is that relevant to our discussion?Recall Alan Grayson's claim that the Republican plan was: "Don't Get Sick! And if You Do Get Sick, Die Quickly!"'The buffoon is gone (I think he posts at TOL now in the form of Barbarian).
That doesn't follow, reasonably. If they want to see everyone covered by healthcare then how can you sustain that charge? And, as usual your scripture assumes a linkage you haven't made before attempting to slap it on there...just remarkably assumptive and lazy, SD. Have you the present ability and willingness to make an argument with points sustained by more than the desire on your part that they be seen as true?
That's too general. Some have and some haven't. The idea that not only the rich deserved an education, the abolition of slavery, the right of women to participate in the democratic process of the Republic--those were just a few greatly beneficial liberal ideas. There are others, just as there are conservative ideas that have contributed to the well being of the nation. And both ideologies have worked what one would hope are inadvertent harms.
But neither of these assist you in connecting theft to taxation.
Again, too general. Liberal thinking isn't as monolithic as its conservative counter, something that hampers them when they're empowered.
And there you go placing scripture where it doesn't attach to the point. How do you associate the love of money with a discussion of its use? And do the conservatives then love money because they seek to keep it for themselves? And the second bit of verse would appear to more aptly apply to those resisting sharing resources than those seeking to alleviate misery by it, if we're still talking about taxes and health care. :chuckle:
But then, you haven't demonstrated an evil, so the point is rather moot or completely assumptive.
Yet another claim without legs. Heck, it's debatable that he even want's socialized medicine given his near eagerness to avoid it in compromise.
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..."
How it does so, the methodology, is up to it and us to determine. You want a different system, well, so do a lot of people. Find a candidate.
Why would you want me to pay for your roads? Or your education? Or to chip in for your healthcare even in the traditional system, where one man's irresponsibility affects my rates? No man is an island in any system, but we all benefit from our collective contributions. Most people can't afford a police force, an army, people to make sure the things they buy won't kill them, a court system, etc. You strain at the gnat and ignore the camel.
See, you just keep saying it, not demonstrating it. A thing isn't theft because you decide it is and you can't sustain this notion at law or by argument. You can drape scripture all over the place, but it doesn't make the connection for you. And neither have you.
It's also not what we're talking about. Another example of you declaring what you appear to be unable to establish by any other means...have you an argument?
Do you have any idea how greedy and hard this sort of declaration makes you appear? Coddling? Is health care for children whose parents can't afford it coddling? Is an education coddling? I'm almost waiting to hear you mention poor houses and suggest a segment of our population decrease its surplus.
lain: John 11:35
