exminister
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The big waste of money was to build them all. Germany outlawed building monuments to their Nazi bigotry. Quite the savings. Penny saved, penny earned.
This is what emboldened white supremacists look like
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Lon
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As long as we are comparing apples to apples instead of bananas and oranges: I have no problem with a statue of General Lee &/or General Grant.
WizardofOz
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"If it's not for you, ignore it." That's basically what Kat Savage's position is.
This all reminds me of the t-beam found from the WTC and the debate I had with Silent Hunter about it being included in the WTC Memorial.
As I said, I agree that these monuments should stay. But, if enough people who live where they are legally have them removed and/or moved, who is anyone to tell them what they can and can not do with their community?
If they end up in a museum or a memorial on private land, what is the detriment? At least with New Orleans, the people spoke and wanted them removed. The mayor agreed. The city council held hearings open to all and voted to remove them.
The only illegal aspects are the vandalism and the death threats/car being torched. Everything else was handled legally.
You can't do anything about money that has already been wasted.
:doh:
But you can sure stop the waste now before spending another dime on such foolishness.
Arthur Brain
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Eh, some folk are just desperate to claim they're being oppressed so they can whinge about it and claim some sort of 'martyrdom'...labels don't really matter.
Isnt that what i said about harvey milk?
The drag queen thing though, isnt comparible in discussion, it was comparible only to the disney thing, which is why it was even mentioned.
drbrumley
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The people spoke? Was there a vote or something...
drbrumley
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I agree, the picture of a persons home with grafiti on it, who references trump, is not the same thing as defacing public monuments - in other words what you keep trying desperately to compare, isnt comparable.
exminister
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This is the best "monument" so far. The others glorify killing and for what-to enslave a race. The dying part is what to remember and the value of the dying. This war fortunately the south lost because freedom was gained. Just like WWII.
Some of the monuments prior remind me of Soviet war glorification monuments.
You're lucky you get to see that before it is vandalized and marked with 'black lives matter' graffiti like so many of the other Confederate gravesites are.
glorydaz
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glorydaz
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It's disgusting. I'm so sick of these liberal idiots....loot and destroy in the name of tolerance and "love" for their fellow man. Hypocrites all.
Sad.
I'm beginning to think not many have actually read a history book on the Civil War.
Looting is NOT a legitimate form of protest.
See video on this page : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/charlotte-riots-what-they-are-not-telling-you
Note - video there is not appropriate for work, or town heretic.
(i would post the video instead of a page containing it, except whining liberals had the man censored, since they dont like the message)
I would say that would be the straw that broke the camel's back ....... but ....... it would probably offend a liberal ...... because ......... camels are Confederate racists!
Racist camel
Smash it to smithereens!
WizardofOz
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:liberals:
Did you think it was going to be a question on a ballot?
That's not how these things work.
Who represents the citizens on the city council? That's what the people voted for.
Yes. That's how councils of local government form and how they function. The same is true for Congress. We vote in people to speak for us, negotiate and stand. If they don't do the job we can fire them.
Here's something from the mayor of New Orleans:
New Orleans was also America’s largest slave market: a port where hundreds of thousands of souls were brought, sold and shipped up the Mississippi River to lives of misery and torture. Our history is forever intertwined with that of our great nation — including its most terrible sins. We must always remember our history and learn from it. But that doesn’t mean we must valorize the ugliest chapters, as we do when we put the Confederacy on a pedestal — literally — in our most prominent public places.
The record is clear: New Orleans’s Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis and P.G.T. Beauregard statues were erected with the goal of rewriting history to glorify the Confederacy and perpetuate the idea of white supremacy. These monuments stand not as mournful markers of our legacy of slavery and segregation, but in reverence of it. They are an inaccurate recitation of our past, an affront to our present and a poor prescription for our future.
Just like the decision to publicly recognize the tragic significance of that stone, removing New Orleans’s Confederate monuments from places of prominence is an acknowledgment that it is time to take stock of, and then move past, a painful part of our history. Anything less would render generations of courageous struggle and soul-searching a truly lost cause.
Just like the decision to publicly recognize the tragic significance of that stone, removing New Orleans’s Confederate monuments from places of prominence is an acknowledgment that it is time to take stock of, and then move past, a painful part of our history. Anything less would render generations of courageous struggle and soul-searching a truly lost cause.
exminister
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WWII wasn't started over the slaughtering of Jews either.