There is no Hell
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Aimiel
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The Lake of Fire is described in Scriptures as torment forever... not an end of existence as you have imagined it to be.
Aimiel
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Not so...
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The 'whosoever' here is human beings.
Hell is without God. That's the contextual reasoning.
You cannot teach anyone who are not open to the whole picture of the Bible.
Aimiel
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Actually It does.
You cannot describe the doctrine of Conditional Immortality without using the very same language that the Bible uses for the fate of the lost. Think about that. If the lost are destroyed, if they perish instead of being tormented alive forever and you wanted to convey that to someone, you would use the exact same description that the Bible uses:
The wicked shall perish.
The wicked shall be no more.
The wages of sin is death.
The soul who sins shall die.
The wicked shall be burnt up like chaff and blown away.
Transgressors shall be altogether destroyed.
BUT
The gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I know why you refused to describe the doctrine of Conditional Immortality in your own words. It is because you CAN'T, without using the very same words the Bible uses. And you just don't want to admit, even to yourself, that Conditional Immortality is true.
Aimiel
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You forgot to mention:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
And:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And the punishment of sinners is eternal conscious torment, as Scripture teaches. Ignoring the verses which show it is easy to do, but still wrong.
I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment [Isa. 63:3].
"Notice that it is their blood, not His.
The early church fathers associated these first six verses with the first coming of Christ. They mistook the winepress as the suffering of Christ on the Cross. Such an interpretation is untenable, as the blood upon His garments is not His blood but that of others. It is the day of vengeance. It is identified already with the second coming of Christ rather than with His first coming. The Lord Jesus made that clear in Luke 4:18–20 when He read Isaiah 61:2. The Lord Jesus shed His own blood at His first coming, but that is not the picture which is presented here. He was trodden on at His first coming, but here He does the treading. This is a frightful picture of judgment."
opcorn: McGee, J. V. (1991)." Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Isaiah 36-66) (electronic ed., Vol. 23, p. 178). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
:listen: If one is being chastened don't Snoopy dance too much or God will withdraw punishment.
Pr 24:17–18
"Notice that it is their blood, not His.
The early church fathers associated these first six verses with the first coming of Christ. They mistook the winepress as the suffering of Christ on the Cross. Such an interpretation is untenable, as the blood upon His garments is not His blood but that of others. It is the day of vengeance. It is identified already with the second coming of Christ rather than with His first coming. The Lord Jesus made that clear in Luke 4:18–20 when He read Isaiah 61:2. The Lord Jesus shed His own blood at His first coming, but that is not the picture which is presented here. He was trodden on at His first coming, but here He does the treading. This is a frightful picture of judgment."
opcorn: McGee, J. V. (1991)." Thru the Bible commentary: The Prophets (Isaiah 36-66) (electronic ed., Vol. 23, p. 178). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.:listen: If one is being chastened don't Snoopy dance too much or God will withdraw punishment.
"Everlasting fire (Mt 25:41), everlasting punishment (Mt 25:46), outer darkness (Mt 8:12), everlasting destruction (2 Thess. 1:9), lake of fire (Rev. 19:20)." :burnlib: Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 283). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.
Aimiel
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I have, you just read them differently than orthodox Christians do.
