Made up, as that is "vicarious law keeping," a perversion of the gospel of Christ. You talk like Nang-she talks like you. She asserts the same thing.
The Two Natures of the Christian
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Made up, as that is "vicarious law keeping," a perversion of the gospel of Christ. You talk like Nang-she talks like you. She asserts the same thing.
musterion
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Did someone say 'vicarious law keeping'? I never passes up a chance to post this.
Dangers of Reformed Theology: Vicarious law keeping
Dangers of Reformed Theology: Vicarious law keeping
And yet you try to impose your religion of antinomianism on others.
All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for us, even keeping the law.
HOGWASH!
Jesus as our representative and substitute fulfilled the law in our name and on our behalf.
Antinomianism is a religion about God. You even use scriptures to try to support your religion, Do you not have faith in your beliefs?
And Paul said we are not saved by his death.
I have a doctrine, not a religion. My faith is in the work and person of Jesus Christ.
My beliefs are subject to change if they are compatible with the Bible. After 45 years I pretty well know in what and in whom I believe.
WeberHome
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That's a point worth discussing seeing as how one of the more common questions I encounter online is: How were people in the Old Testament saved before Christ came along?
Forgiveness prior to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection wasn't 100% exoneration; rather, it was a reprieve, which Webster's defines as: to delay the punishment of (as a condemned prisoner); viz: a stay of execution, which is defined as: an order that temporarily stops an execution.
In other words: prior to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection, people's forgiven sins were set aside but they weren't forgotten; no, God kept those sins on the books where they hung over the forgiven people's heads like a sword of Damocles.
● Ex 34:6-7. .Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished
Christ's crucifixion and resurrection is the basis for everybody's exoneration, both in the Old Testament era, and the New.
● Rom 3:25 . . God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in His forbearance He had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.
● Heb 11:39 . .These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
● John 8:56 . .Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Being a prophet (Gen 20:7) Abraham foresaw quite a bit about Christ. (1Pet 1:10-12)
● 1John 2:2 . . He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
The "whole world" includes everybody from Adam to the present day, and beyond.
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Your doctrine is your religion.
Right, In the Old Testament era they were justified by believing in God's promise of a savior. They were justified by faith. Nothing has changed. We also are justified by faith.
Christianity is not really about a religion. It is really more about a person, The Lord Jesus Christ.
musterion
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If He kept the law perfectly for us, why did He then need to die for us?
Ben Masada
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WeberHome
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Christ didn't come into the world to obey the law for the world, rather, to fulfill the law for the world.
● Matt 5:17-19 . . Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
The law mandates a curse upon all who disobey it.
● Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.
That's where Jesus's demise comes into play.
● Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death
● Gal 3:13 . . Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us
● Isa 53:6 . . We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Disbelievers will fulfill the law for themselves at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they will undergo an execution akin to a foundry worker falling into a vat of molten iron.
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Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and the law.
Every jot and tittle of the law must be fulfilled, Matthew 5:18.
All that Jesus is and all that he did was for us.
A kingdom is based on a family, in this case the family of God. Christianity is about how we relate to our Father's family.
WeberHome
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A good example of this is Yom Kippur, a.k.a. the Great Day of Atonement.
There's a goat involved in the ritual commonly called a scape goat. But in reality, it's not a scape goat, rather, it's an escaping goat. Let me explain,.
The sins of the people are ceremoniously placed upon the goat, which is then turned loose in the great outdoors to fend for itself. Well; if you've ever raised goats, you know that turning a goat loose in the great outdoors is not a bad fate. They are survivors, they thrive, and they love freedom to roam.
The point is: that goat should be executed for a burnt offering in order to satisfy justice for the people's sins; but instead the goat is set free. Now what that means is: the goat is a fugitive from justice, and the people's sins are still out there somewhere; meaning, symbolically, that the people's sins have yet to be adequately punished; and we're talking about a whole year's worth of sins; year after year after year. That can really snowball over time.
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