I said
I used to wonder why you never could understand them. But no more.
I do not understand them for they are not from God. God is not the author of confusion.
I said
I used to wonder why you never could understand them. But no more.
I do not understand them for they are not from God. God is not the author of confusion.
I said
I used to wonder, but no more. You became hard hearted on the trinity. Which made you lukewarm.
I think if you understand the Trinity you will have no problem understanding and answering the question you have asked. The Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Answer your question with that understanding.
I think if you understand the Trinity you will have no problem understanding and answering the question you have asked. The Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Answer your question with that understanding.
My understanding is that the Trinity doctrine was established hundreds of years after the biblical era and is not taught in scripture.
Taken from CARM.org
The following quotes show that the doctrine of the Trinity was indeed alive-and-well before the Council of Nicea
All of the quotes your cited are open to interpretation. Not all Christians who read Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Ignatius, or Iraeneus agree with the interpretation given in your source. These ancient writers also believed a lot of other goofy things that even modern Trinitarians don't agree with.
Most Christians that I know would rather base their understanding of Christology on what Jesus and the apostles were teaching rather than the opinion of a handful of people who lived several generations later. The teaching of the apostles was already being corrupted during the First Century (1 Timothy 1:3-4) and there were people claiming they got their false teachings from the apostles (2 Thessalonians 2:2).
[MENTION=4465]Bright Raven[/MENTION] I'll take your long silence on this as an "I don't know" (from both times that I posted it). Truth is, there is no Trinitarian answer.[MENTION=4465]Bright Raven[/MENTION] I never did get your response to my post, repeated below.
If you're referring to my question, and there really is a Trinity, either one member of the trinity is claiming to be God all by Himself or God in that place is speaking as a composite.
If God is speaking as a composite, that makes for a lot of big problems for the Trinitarian mindset. Hebrews 1:1-2 would be saying that the Triune God had a son, making Jesus 1/3 his own daddy.
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@Bright Raven I'll take your long silence on this as an "I don't know" (from both times that I posted it). Truth is, there is no Trinitarian answer.
The only answer is that the one Father of the OT personally came as a man. He did create the worlds by Himself. It's also true that Jesus created the worlds, because they are one and the same.
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Forgetting any type of denominationalism, is the Trinity taught in the Bible?
Hi,
When Hebrews 1:2 says that Jesus "made the ages (AIWNAS)", it was referring to what happened as a result of him being "appointed heir of all things." The "ages" refers the people of faith from the previous "ages" (Hebrews 11:3) who were waiting to receive the promise of eternal life.
There's no reason to reverse the order in Hebrews 1:2 can claim that Jesus "made the ages" before he was "appointed heir of all things." Likewise, in John 1:10, it was because Jesus was "in the world" that "the world became through him."