keypurr
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Your words, not mine.So you believe in two Gods. How interesting.
The image of God is not God any more than the image in your mirrors is you.
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Your words, not mine.So you believe in two Gods. How interesting.
This being was made a little lower than the angels when it became flesh. This being dwelled in the body provided for it in Heb 10:5. RD, you need to see God as a spirit and his true son as a spirit too.I have read it many time and do NOT assume anything.
Heb 1:1-3 (AKJV/PCE)(1:1) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (1:2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (1:3) Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
BEING and not MADE.
This being was made a little lower than the angels when it became flesh. This being dwelled in the body provided for it in Heb 10:5. RD, you need to see God as a spirit and his true son as a spirit too.
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Nope, it is not me that has more than one God.Not your Spirit thank you. You believe in two Gods.
"I'Am" is not in the Hebrew language. The term "First and the Last" is used only for the Father in the Old Testament, which suggest there is a problem in the book of Revelation.
That is completely FALSE and will NOT become true just because you keep repeating it.
Jesus most certainly taught that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were God.
Jesus also spoke to His Father. Was He speaking to Himself?John 17:5 (AKJV/PCE)(17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Is it your contention that "thou" and "with thine own self" is referring to the SAME person was the one saying it?
What a pile of propaganda!
Your rhetoric provides nothing but bluff and bluster, just like so many here that will not accept the truth.
Peace
I disagree friend, Jesus Christ has a God that he worshipped. Did he not say that he was going to his God and our God?
We have one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus was a servant son of his Father. He is now the mediator between God and man.
Then tell me what it says. Show me where I go wrong.
God is a spirit, his express image is also a spirit. Why are you having a problem with that?
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Show me where "first and the last" is used for "the Father" in the Old Testament. You might want to start with showing where "the Father" is in the old testament as a warm-up. Do you mean this reference?
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
(6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Can you show me where the following passages say "the Father?" The only way I can figure you can make that link is the child = the mighty God and the everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6 above), then the LORD is God (Genesis 2:4 and others).
Isaiah 41:4 KJV (4) Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isaiah 44:6 KJV (6) Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 48:12 KJV (12) Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Nope, it is not me that has more than one God.
Only YHWH is God, Christ is his son.
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You have have no desire to see the words "express image" in Heb 1:3. Your turning your head away from what is recorded. You fail to put put two and two together. Your spiritual growth has been stopped in its tracks. I understand, I did the same thing for sixty years. Then God answered my prayers for understanding and enlighten me about his express image.
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You're as stubborn as a mule and dumb as a rock.Then tell me what it says. Show me where I go wrong.
God is a spirit, his express image is also a spirit. Why are you having a problem with that?
Nope, I do not reject any verse. Christ was given the fullness of his God. God created all through his son Christ. But that does not mean Christ is God. Only the Father (YHWH) is God.You reject what God said.
The Father said
Psalm 102:25-27King James Version (KJV)
25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
The Father said of His Son, Jesus Christ:
Hebrews 1:11-12King James Version (KJV)
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Jesus is not the express image for Jesus a man, however the spirit that dwelled him is the express image.You're as stubborn as a mule and dumb as a rock.
Hebrews does NOT say that Jesus was MADE the "EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON" (speaking of God), It says that He IS (BEING) the "express image of His person".
Is says BEING and NOT MADE.
You keep trying to ISOLATE the English word IMAGE which is NOT THERE.
That is a LIE. I said that a heretic teaches something that OPPOSES what the Bible teaches. Or I guess that all authors of car repair manuals are heretics.And your recent denials do not make it any less true. You defined heretic as teaching something not from the bible.
LIE #2 for this post, your're off to a great start.You are teaching something not from the bible.
Since you've misrepresented what I said, you're up to your neck in it.Your definition of heretic condemns you just the same. It's back in the thread posts. I'm not going to weary myself with posting the same over and over again.
Thanks for exposing your heretical doctrine. That's pure Gnosticism.Which is not the definition of Trinity doctrine, and not what you were teaching on this thread.
Yes, I believe that is essentially Jesus (God in one form) addressing himself in another form.
Go study up on the Hebrew word used for ONE in that QUOTE from Deut 6:4. You might (should, but maybe not) learn that it is a one of UNITY and not ABSOLUTELY SINGULARITY. But that's probably above your pay grade.Given that Jesus did sometimes speak in terms hard to understand (see John 6:41, "I am the bread which came down from heaven", John 6:54 "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life...") this seems far more plausible than that Jesus meant something completely opposite when he says,
Mark 12:29 KJV
(29) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
More of the typical false accusations and "teaching". I guess it's a great benefit that God pretends to be more than one person, but really is not.Your theory requires paradox that one no longer equals one but rather equals three. My understanding allows that God can be in more than one place at the same time, or even speak to himself (or in the third person) for the benefit of others that are listening.
It is you that must make something as clear as "thine own self" mean something other than what it clearly means.Glad to see that you have mastered the wisdom from above.
James 3:15-18 KJV
(15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
(16) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
(17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
(18) And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Why do most on the Greek to English translators disagree with you on this verse?You're as stubborn as a mule and dumb as a rock.
Hebrews does NOT say that Jesus was MADE the "EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON" (speaking of God), It says that He IS (BEING) the "express image of His person".
Is says BEING and NOT MADE.
You keep trying to ISOLATE the English word IMAGE which is NOT THERE.
They don't.Why do most on the Greek to English translators disagree with you on this verse?
Yes they do, I posted them for you to see.They don't.
You're really got a get a grip old man.Yes they do, I posted them for you to see.
Count them that translate as Image.
The others agree also.
Some use exact image.