Jesus is our Father. But He is not the Father.
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God's Truth
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Of course I can. I'm just trying to show you how it is not right.
I know that is what trinitarians believe, and it is against the scriptures.
You make three different and separate Gods but call them one God is NOT reasonable and you don't see it.
You also make the word 'God' into saying 'Gods', yet you deny it.
Of course they have spirits.
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The saved only have one Father.
Wrong there friend. Jesus is not the Father. That is a God's Truth belief
glorydaz
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I pointed out something that is required of all who are under the law, and you haven't done that, have you? I see no sign of your being humbled because you continue to tout what you DO.
You say you obey everything, but you have not humbled yourself.
The work of humbling is another work of God. Paul understood that is is God, alone, who can truly humble a person.
2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
What I meant, brother, is that Jesus, our Creator, is our Father (in the sense that the Creator is the one who made us). But he is not "God the Father," He is "God the Son."
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God will humble him because he will be sad in the Lord that the people he preached to are doing evil and probably are not saved and they believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
2 Corinthians 6:1 As God’s co-workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain.
Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.
Galatians 3:4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain?
Philippians 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves,
Philippians 2:16 as you hold firmly to the word of life. And then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain.
1 Thessalonians 3:5 For this reason, when I could stand it no longer, I sent to find out about your faith. I was afraid that in some way the tempter had tempted you and that our labors might have been in vain.
Trinity doctrine says three in one Father, Son and Holy Spirit. To even hint that Jesus is Father is incorrect.
Matthew 3:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
You misunderstand me. I'm agreeing with you.
Jesus is not God the Father.
When I said "Jesus is our Father," I meant it as, "Jesus is our Creator."
Again, I'm not saying Jesus is the Father, I'm saying He is our Father (ie, Creator). I agree with you that Jesus is not the Father. I agree with you that Jesus is the Son.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. - Colossians 1:16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians1:16&version=NKJV
glorydaz
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Because the unsaved man has to work at being humble. Just as the unsaved man has to work at loving others. The unsaved man is constantly working, but never accomplishing those things that only God can actually do.
There is a difference between Creator and Father, remember that.
glorydaz
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Yes, but Jesus proceeded forth and came from God, so the entire triune God took part in the Creation. So, what difference is there between the Creator and Father?
We should remember that our triune God is the Father of all mankind. I think that is what JR was talking about.
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
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God the Father came as a Son.
glorydaz
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Somehow you always manage to mess it up. You're supposed to follow the bouncing ball, not see where it hits at it's high point....or it's low point, as the case may be.
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Unsaved people humble themselves to be saved???
They don't humble themselves for nothing, and they don't stay unsaved if they obey by humbling themselves.
What? What unsaved person works at loving other?
The unsaved man needs to get Jesus' teachings so he can be saved.
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I don't play your game.
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You said a lot of important revealing things right there.
I want to discuss this deeper with you.
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Look at that, JR, you have a sense of the truth but you don't want to give up your comfort and friends for it.
glorydaz
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No, they work at humbling themselves. They beat themselves across the back with whips. They lay on beds of nails. They see how many feet they can wash to impress those around them. They tell others they have humbled themselves while boasting about it. :chuckle:
No, when you meet the Risen Lord you are HUMBLED. You can't stand upon your feet. There is no obeying about it. It is not a work you can do....just as believing is not a work you can do. You're persuaded to believe by God, and you're humbled by God when you believe.
Every single person who thinks they have to love and forgive others in order to be forgiven. You workers, that's who.
He needs to believe the Gospel.
:mock: Get Jesus' teachings....
I knew you wouldn't get it.
ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM. Over the Badger's head.
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Are you insane? I preach obey Jesus. Where does Jesus say to do what you just did?