The Terrible God of Calvinism

[Nanja]

The Gospel calls for a responce. No responce, no salvation, Hebrews 4:2.

The Election of Grace already had Salvation, forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:7, before they ever believed,
called upon the Lord, or ever responded to the Gospel.

2 Tim. 1:8-9
Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the
afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began


The works / efforts of man have nothing at all to do with them obtaining Salvation Eph. 2:8-9.
But the Election of Grace will believe the Truth because they have been Chosen of God!

2 Thes 2:13-14
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because
God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.


But the non-elect God decreed to everlasting destruction for their sins, according to His Purpose in Election.

Rom. 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God
according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

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[musterion]

Then you are being willfully ignorant of what is taught in reformed theology. You cannot find any reformation writing that supports your conclusion.

Nanja does too.

 

[serpentdove]

How is it not "just?"

If men never had a chance to respond to him, then they can rightfully say that god is a monster. Thankfully, that's not true (2 Pe 3:9).

See:

OSAS

Does God Elect Everyone?

 

[Robert Pate]

If men never had a chance to respond to him, then they can rightfully say that god is a monster. Thankfully, that's not true (2 Pe 3:9).

See:

OSAS

Does God Elect Everyone?

One would have great difficulty finding someone on this planet that has not heard that Christ died on the cross for sinners.

 

[Dialogos]

One would have great difficulty finding someone on this planet that has not heard that Christ died on the cross for sinners.

Was that true for people 1 year after Christ's accession into heaven?

 

[NickCharles]

Was that true for people 1 year after the Christ's accession into heaven?

Or how about the Chinese guy a week after?

 

[NickCharles]

One would have great difficulty finding someone on this planet that has not heard that Christ died on the cross for sinners.

Just pointing out your ignorance: my church is sponsoring missionaries to go to Papua New Guinea. They will go out to some crazy backwoods area where people have not heard the gospel.

I guess they are willing to be those who will, with difficulty, share the gospel.

 

[Brother Ducky]

If men never had a chance to respond to him, then they can rightfully say that god is a monster. Thankfully, that's not true (2 Pe 3:9).

See:

OSAS

Does God Elect Everyone?

I am still not sure how God's actions, as posited by Reformed Folk make him "unjust." If only those who go to hell, go to hell for their own sin, God is not unjust.

 

[Robert Pate]

Just pointing out your ignorance: my church is sponsoring missionaries to go to Papua New Guinea. They will go out to some crazy backwoods area where people have not heard the gospel.

I guess they are willing to be those who will, with difficulty, share the gospel.

It has been reported by missionaries that some remote tribes say that the Gospel is written in the stars.

See, Joseph A. Seiss book "The Gospel in the Stars"

No one has been left out my unbelieving friend.

 

[NickCharles]

It has been reported by missionaries that some remote tribes say that the Gospel is written in the stars.



See, Joseph A. Seiss book "The Gospel in the Stars"



No one has been left out my unbelieving friend.

So now you want to contradict Paul in Romans 10. When will you start believing scripture?

 

[Robert Pate]

So now you want to contradict Paul in Romans 10. When will you start believing scripture?

No contradiction.

Salvation has been provided for all, but not all want it.

 

[NickCharles]

No contradiction.



Salvation has been provided for all, but not all want it.

14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" - Romans 10:14-15

Your view contradicts Paul.

 

[Robert Pate]

14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" - Romans 10:14-15

Your view contradicts Paul.

The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ, Hebrews 3:15. You have apparently hardened you heart.

You want to believe that God is a mean, cruel tyrant that enjoys createing reprobates so that he can send them to hell.

 

[NickCharles]

The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ, Hebrews 3:15. You have apparently hardened you heart.



You want to believe that God is a mean, cruel tyrant that enjoys createing reprobates so that he can send them to hell.

I believe that Paul was telling the truth. You believe he was lying. I'm going with Paul.

 

[Robert Pate]

I believe that Paul was telling the truth. You believe he was lying. I'm going with Paul.

No, you go against Paul.

 

[NickCharles]

No, you go against Paul.

Really? You said people could receive the gospel without anyone ever showing up. I'll repeat what Paul said:

14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" - Romans 10:14-15

Notice that it says "someone preaching". Nothing about stars. So you are the one who does not believe Paul.

 

[Robert Pate]

Really? You said people could receive the gospel without anyone ever showing up. I'll repeat what Paul said:

14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" - Romans 10:14-15

Notice that it says "someone preaching". Nothing about stars. So you are the one who does not believe Paul.

I know of some that have been saved by just reading the Bible.

 

[NickCharles]

I know of some that have been saved by just reading the Bible.

And how did that bible get into their hands? Did the stars bring them?

 

[musterion]

One would have great difficulty finding someone on this planet that has not heard that Christ died on the cross for sinners.

Even if you did, there is still the Law written in the hearts of all, which at some point all have violated. So not hearing the Gospel would not be an excuse.

 

[NickCharles]

and even if you did, there is still the law the law written in the heart of all, which all at some point have violated. So not hearing the Gospel would not be an excuse.

Right. Because everyone is a lawbreaker, even those who are a law unto themselves.