Dialogos
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False assumption. Every single human being on the planet has had a chance to respond to God.
Every single person on the planet failed to do so.
That's the testimony of Romans 1-3.
The Terrible God of Calvinism
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Every single person on the planet failed to do so.
That's the testimony of Romans 1-3.
glorydaz
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NickCharles
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Dialogos
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So Paul was just exaggerating when he said the following?
What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin,
10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
13 "Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive." "The venom of asps is under their lips."
14 "Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness."
15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 in their paths are ruin and misery,
17 and the way of peace they have not known."
18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes." (Rom 3:9-18 ESV)
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Who, in your view, apart from Christ, isn't under sin, Glorydaz?
Please tell us who sought and found God apart from the gospel..?
The attributes of God are just, mercy and righteous.
This is what makes him holy. To be holy means that you have never been unjust, unmerciful or unrighteous.
Holy also means that you have never failed to keep a promise or have been deceptive.
All of the promises that God made to Israel were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of God's Holy Law.
The justice, mercy and righteousness of God has been revealed to us in the Gospel, Romans 1:16, 17.
Because God is holy, just and righteous he must judge sin.
All of the sins of the world were atoned for in Jesus Christ, 1 John 2:2.
God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. As far as God is concerned sin death and the devil have been destroyed and God is at peace with the world, Colossians 1:20.
However, there will be a judgment when Christ returns. It will not be for sins, it will be for unbelievers or those without faith, Revelation 14:7.
In this judgment you will either be found "In Christ" or outside of Christ. If you are outside of Christ your sins will be imputed to you and you will be condemned, Romans 4:8.
If you are "In Christ" the righteousness of Christ will be imputed to you, Romans 4:22.
This is what makes him holy. To be holy means that you have never been unjust, unmerciful or unrighteous.
Holy also means that you have never failed to keep a promise or have been deceptive.
All of the promises that God made to Israel were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of God's Holy Law.
The justice, mercy and righteousness of God has been revealed to us in the Gospel, Romans 1:16, 17.
Because God is holy, just and righteous he must judge sin.
All of the sins of the world were atoned for in Jesus Christ, 1 John 2:2.
God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. As far as God is concerned sin death and the devil have been destroyed and God is at peace with the world, Colossians 1:20.
However, there will be a judgment when Christ returns. It will not be for sins, it will be for unbelievers or those without faith, Revelation 14:7.
In this judgment you will either be found "In Christ" or outside of Christ. If you are outside of Christ your sins will be imputed to you and you will be condemned, Romans 4:8.
If you are "In Christ" the righteousness of Christ will be imputed to you, Romans 4:22.
musterion
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Reprobates are consigned to damnation before they sin.
NickCharles
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glorydaz
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"Isn't under sin"? Are you just going to make stuff up that has nothing to do with your claim? Paul wasn't "exaggerating" but he certainly wasn't contradicting Scripture as your "interpretation" insists. Have you ever bothered to go read "what is written" in Psalm 14 and Psalm 5:5-9 which Paul was quoting? It's the foolish...."their hearts" are being talked about...not all men.
It's the fool who has said in his heart there is no God. That does not mean all men are fools and don't believe in God. We know from reading Romans 1 and 2 that the things of God are clearly seen and understood by the created. It's why men are without excuse. Even the gentiles can do by nature the things contained in the law.
Psalm 14:1-5
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord. There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord. There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
There has always been those who are righteous and just (not sin free - and that isn't what Paul is saying).
Why do you ignore Able, Noah and Lot? Mat 23:35 2 Pet 2:7,8
Gen. 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Why do you ignore those who sought the Lord?
Gen. 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
Check out Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and
death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged
every man according to their works.
Why doesn't it say; "Judged by their "sins?" Because, Christ paid
the price of ALL the sins of mankind. However, only those who
place their faith in Christ will benefit from His death and resurrection.
Henceforth, the "unsaved" will be judged by their "works."
NickCharles
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Good post
Brother Ducky
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What motive is being attributed to God that is unjust?
What are the "fairly narrow theological areas?"
Brother Ducky
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You are quite incorrect in your first statement.
What belief does Calvinism require of one that is unjust? And why is it unjust?
glorydaz
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Creating evil. Creating some for destruction. You can start with those.
glorydaz
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How about the inability of man to believe God, seek God, hear the Gospel? God says man has no excuse, but those all give him excuses.
NickCharles
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19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?"
20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?"
21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- - Romans 9:19-23
I suppose that is God being unjust.
Amen.
NickCharles
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It's not inability, as in a physical inability. It's a moral inability. It's man's nature to reject God.
glorydaz
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No, that is you quoting scripture without an ounce of discernment and zip understanding.