The Terrible God of Calvinism

Dialogos

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You have a very narrow of view of God's wrath.

And life is never a separate issue from wrath. Why? Because without faith it is impossible to please God. God is not pleased by unbelief...
And those who are in the flesh cannot please God (Romans 8:8).

This is a statement of inability.

So explain to us all how someone who is in the flesh can choose to believe and please God prior to them receiving the Holy Spirit?

glorydaz said:
..even more than He is not pleased by sin.
Nope.

And those who are under sin do not seek God. That's the conclusion of Paul in Romans 3 which I explained to you earlier in this post . Did you miss this one?
glorydaz said:
Christ's death dealt with the sin....
This is a doctrine you share with Pate. Now, please explain to us all how Jesus can say that some of the Pharisees were in danger of dying in their sins?" (John 8:24)

Glorydaz said:
it is unbelief that displeases God.
Absolutely unbelief displeases God. The other side of that coin is that belief pleases God. Here you are faced with a bit of a quandary because Romans 8:8 says that the man or woman in the flesh cannot do what is pleasing to God and yet you appear to believe that men and women can believe (which pleases God) in the flesh.
 

patrick jane

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You don't believe or understand those verses of scripture, you teach against them both! You teach that millions upon millions for whom Christ lived and died for shall yet die in their sins in unbelief!

No, I think he teaches the opposite of that, You teach that billions are not chosen and pre-destined to hellfire.
 

beloved57

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No, I think he teaches the opposite of that, You teach that billions are not chosen and pre-destined to hellfire.

I know what i teach and what he teaches, he teaches that millions upon millions for whom Christ lived and died, shall wind up in hell for their sins that He died for!
 

Robert Pate

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And those who are in the flesh cannot please God (Romans 8:8).

This is a statement of inability.

So explain to us all how someone who is in the flesh can choose to believe and please God prior to them receiving the Holy Spirit?


Nope.

And those who are under sin do not seek God. That's the conclusion of Paul in Romans 3 which I explained to you earlier in this post . Did you miss this one?

This is a doctrine you share with Pate. Now, please explain to us all how Jesus can say that some of the Pharisees were in danger of dying in their sins?" (John 8:24)


Absolutely unbelief displeases God. The other side of that coin is that belief pleases God. Here you are faced with a bit of a quandary because Romans 8:8 says that the man or woman in the flesh cannot do what is pleasing to God and yet you appear to believe that men and women can believe (which pleases God) in the flesh.


What a terrible thing that you believe about God.

You believe that God creates reprobates so that he can send them to hell.

Here is your problem and its a big one.

It is not possible for anyone to have saving faith in a God such as this.
 

beloved57

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What a terrible thing that you believe about God.

You believe that God creates reprobates so that he can send them to hell.

Here is your problem and its a big one.

It is not possible for anyone to have saving faith in a God such as this.

You believe that God will send perfectly Righteous People without sin into the lake of fire for sin ! That makes God Unjust and Cruel !
 

Robert Pate

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You believe that God will send perfectly Righteous People without sin into the lake of fire for sin ! That makes God Unjust and Cruel !

You also believe that God creates reprobates so that he can send them to hell.

This is why you are lost. It is not possible to have saving faith in a God that would do such a thing.
 

beloved57

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You also believe that God creates reprobates so that he can send them to hell.

This is why you are lost. It is not possible to have saving faith in a God that would do such a thing.

You believe that God will cast into hell those who are perfectly righteous with no sin charged to them, that makes God Unjust and Cruel !
 

Robert Pate

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You know you believe that God will punish men and women in eternal fire, that Christ lived out the Law for and then died for ! Say you dont believe that !

The God of the Bible so loves the world that he gives his only begotten Son, John 3:16.

What does the God of Calvinism give?
 

beloved57

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The God of the Bible so loves the world that he gives his only begotten Son, John 3:16.

What does the God of Calvinism give?

So you believe God is Unjust to Punish them that Are Made Perfectly Righteous by Christ ? They have Perfectly obeyed Gods Commandments !
 

Robert Pate

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So you believe God is Unjust to Punish them that Are Made Perfectly Righteous by Christ ? They have Perfectly obeyed Gods Commandments !


The God of the Bible so loves the world that he gives his only begotten Son, John 3:16.

What does the God of Calvinism give?
 

beloved57

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The God of the Bible so loves the world that he gives his only begotten Son, John 3:16.

What does the God of Calvinism give?

So you believe God is Unjust to Punish them that Are Made Perfectly Righteous by Christ ? They have Perfectly obeyed Gods Commandments ! Go ahead and admit it !
 
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