Jerry, get real.
You know as well as anyone that "man" has a different connotation depending on context.
Both GOD and angels were called "man", but it is not referring to MANKIND.
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You know as well as anyone that "man" has a different connotation depending on context.
Both GOD and angels were called "man", but it is not referring to MANKIND.
Jerry Shugart
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It is speaking of "bodies" and not "mankind."
The Lord Jesus used the term "Son of Man" to describe Himself. What meaning do you think we should put on those words?
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Jerry Shugart
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Why do you think that the Lord Jesus is now referred to as being "invisible"?
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No, not in regards to His humanity.
Jerry Shugart
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He is in heaven now as Man. And He is also described as now being "invisible." How do you explain that?
Son of Adam, as Adam means mankind.
Angels are also called 'man', but no angel was a son of Adam (mankind).
Jerry Shugart
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When the Lord Jesus referred to Himself as being the Son of Man what do you think He meant when He used those words?
When He said that He is the Son of God what was He telling us?
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The LORD Jesus Christ now has TWO natures.... that's how I explain it.
Good grief, are you serious?
Tell ya what, if you want to believe that the Son was MANKIND before He became MANKIND, you go right ahead.
Jerry Shugart
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Why didn't you answer my question? Is it because you are not serious?
When the Lord Jesus referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" what was He telling us about Himself?
When the Lord Jesus referred to Himself as the "Son of God" what was He telling us about Himself?
Jerry Shugart
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That doesn't answer my question. The Lord Jesus is now in heaven as Man and He is also described as being "invisible" now.
How do you explain that?
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Like I said, He has TWO natures. In His nature as God, He is "invisible". Not in His nature as MAN.
Spirits don't have bodies, Jerry. They can appear in physical form, but they don't actually have bodies.
JERRY!!! THAT'S A CHANGE!!!!
JESUS CHANGED BY PUTTING ON A FLESH BODY! You just conceded the debate by saying he put on a body, because "PUTTING ON" something that you didn't have on before. . . IS A CHANGE!
Thank you for conceding the entire discussion Jerry.
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You've already conceded the debate.
Alright, let's go through this again:
ME: Can "flesh" be used as a synecdoche for man/mankind?
JERRY: YES
ME: Is Jesus the "Word" in John 1:1?
JERRY: Yes
ME: Could the word flesh in John 1:14 refer to Jesus (aka the Word) putting on a human body
JERRY: NO!
Do you see the disconnect Jerry?
BECAUSE HE CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S HOW!!!!
Jerry Shugart
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He is in heaven now as MAN.
He is not now sitting on the throne of God so right now He is the Son of Man (Acts 7:56).
Can you not tell the difference between what He means when He says He is the Son of Man and when He says that He is the Son of God?
You might start your rightly dividing by trying to learn to separate those tho identities of His.
Jerry Shugart
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Then how are His servants going to see Him?
"And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads" (Rev.22:3).
You confuse the inner man with the outward man. The inner man did not change. He came down from heaven as Man so His inner man did not change.
Do you not believe that there is an inner man and and an outward man?
It's doesn't seem like you do.
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No kidding. Thanks for the news flash Jerry.
His standing was temporary. He was about to judge Israel's unbelief (see Isaiah 3:13).... But something intervened. Guess what it was.
And your point?
Sure, Jerry, sure.
Wrong, biblical idiot. Adam was made in God's image. We were made in "fallen" Adam's image:
Genesis 5 KJV
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
Jerry Shugart
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I said that he is in heaven now as Man and He is invisible. You said that He is invisible now because He now there as God:
Again, He is in heaven now as Man and He described as being invisible.
It is not difficult to understand this sine Paul tells us that eternal things cannot be seen (2 Cor.4:18).
The eternal state is the spiritual sphere and in our flesh and blood bodies we are not equipped to see things belonging in the spiritual sphere But when we put on our new spiritual bodies we will see the face of God (Rev.22:4).