The RCC , Judaism, and Islam is the anti-christ.
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[MENTION=18157]marhig[/MENTION],
Though I agree with many of your assertions, it is unscriptural to call a believer "anti-Christ"
There is a scriptural litmus test.
1 John 2:22-23
Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son can have the Father; whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.
[MENTION=5868]chair[/MENTION]... this is a double whammy. I'm not sure if LA intended it, but RCC is simultaneously Roman Catholic Church and Reformed Christian Church.
Neither are in violation of 1 John 2:22-23.
As for Jews and Judaism... I have pointed out that Rom. 11 warns against Christian persecution of the Jews.
Replacement Theology is the direct issue here. LA's assertion proves it!
What a mess-asserting that "The kingdom of Elohim is within" the Pharisees.
Clueless, never studying the details of the bible for himself-just what others tell him it says/teaches.
jsanford108
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It is because we are the originals.
All religions are false and have the add ons of men's understanding.
Of course,you decide what is an "add on," I suppose. All religions, by definition, have "the add ons of men's understanding." Thanks for saying nothing-as usual.
so what are you going to do about it?
Ban it, and allow only replacing that stupid hat of yours. Good day to you, sir.
Judas was the type of all anti- christs.
It is the self life of the believer which must be negated by the ingestion of the living word of God after believing,(not just head knowledge) that renders the believer safe from himself, and therefore safe from falling away.
Judas refused the ministry of Jesus after his believing and partaking in the early ministry with the disciples.
So many are ignorant of these issues, so they are easily deceived by men who confess Christ with their mouth but their heart is far from Him.
Judas--
Joh 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
Joh 13:11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
Judasises--
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (in the churches, the abomination of desolation)
LA
Fact--
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
LA
Perhaps... you should... exclude... the RCC and Jews from your list. Or not. But, scripturally, calling out error and calling a group anti-Christ, are two separate matters.
I'll say this...
If you believe that the true temple of God is Christ, then you would understand why looking through the lens of John 2:19 placed on Islamic Eschatology... you would see that understanding the implications of their "Isa" is a "very interesting" study.
Perhaps then, you would see why I speak as I do.
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Yes, that is what Yeshua says in Luke 17:21. Are you a Calvinist now? Are all Pharisees "unelect" according to you? Do you not know who Simon the Pharisee is in the Gospel? And what about Nicodemus the Archon-Ruler and Teacher of Yisrael? In the end Nicodemus understood what it meant to be born from above: why do you appear incapable of comprehending such things?
Words have meanings, which are most often defined by context, and changing or switching out the meanings for your own privately held dogma only perverts the other places where the same words are used: it is confusion. No one taught me what I posted from anywhere outside the scripture because I know how both εντος, (Matt 23:26 and Luke 17:21), and μεσος, (cf. Matt 18:20), are employed by the Master Teacher himself; and Paul likewise follows suit just as he employs μεσος according to the same manner of understanding in 2Thes 2:7. You cannot understand Paul without the full Testimony of Yeshua which you have already rejected as a "Judas" Gospel in another recent thread.
popsthebuilder
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Just curious; what are you saying the Islamic say of Isa?
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I'll put it this way. Their Isa perfectly matches our scripture's anti-Christ.
It's mere conjecture and so forth. But they are taught to follow Him, under command of their Mahdi into the slaying of Jesus that died for sinners.
It is no joke.
But this is just the result of study and my mere citing of "interesting" things. I try to stay as informed as possible for witness and religious awareness. I assert nothing, but am simply sharing.
Judas is a type of all anti-christs, and the RCC grew out of the falling away of the churches.
Islam came later, and it is only the antichrists claim that they are anti Christ because they resisted and hate the RCC, but Islam is not a biblical anti Christ.
Judaism is anti Christ through and through and their whole religion denies Jesus the Son of God yet claims to be of God.
Poor fools of the western believers give their money to them who spit in their face.
Of course it is so that Israel of the middle east is no more a Godly nation of believers any more than the western nations.
To that other matter--
While Christ is the living Temple of God, the Bible uses the term for the church and the churches as well.
It is the churches of the kind described in rev.chs 2-3who fall away in the end and it is the main reason for Christs return to end the age.
Otherwise all things would continue for the saving of souls, which of course does under a different situation, but not through the established/establishment churches, who will end in the trumpets--
Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Mic 3:5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
Mic 3:6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
Mic 3:7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
LA
We are not "anti-Christ". It is much worse: we don't care about him.
By the way- did you ever notice that Jesus was Jewish?
Sure but it was His faith which was important to God, not his race.
Christ was hated by all of the religions of His time and they were all Jewish.
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
Rom 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Judas was Jewish too.
LA
popsthebuilder
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Well maybe you could study the actual Quran before you make such grand assumptions.
Isa - Jesus the one pure messenger of GOD and judge of man.
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What?
As were all of Jesus' disciples. As were his target audience.
What any of this has to do with people living 2,000 years later is beyond me.
marhig
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It's not enough just to say we believe, we are to live by the will of God, and by doers of the word and not hearers only!
Matthew 7
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.