The Perversion of Libertarianism

[Rusha]

Trump clearly says he hates the concept of abortion and everything about it. That was 17 years ago and now he still hates it and will ban it if possible


Trump Train

Trump would tell you he was a single, never married choir boy IF he thought you would believe it. The guy is a dishonest, thrice married adulterer. Being pro-abortion suits his promiscuous lifestyle.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I have already addressed your double standard in regards to abortion. You allow for exceptions in regards to abortion based on the circumstances of the unborn baby's conception.

You need to learn to read better Sandy:

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Regarding abortion laws: Once our culture changes to value human life (you can pass abortion laws and still have a culture of death), then this would be a great role model for the US:

Senegal
Legislation based on an 1810 penal code makes abortion illegal in Senegal except to save the mother’s life. For a woman to qualify for an abortion, two physicians must concur that her life is in danger and one of these physicians must be on a court-approved list.
http://www.pewforum.org/2008/09/30/a...und-the-world/

I value all unborn babies ... though please continue to pretend you do not understand the difference.

You and WizardofOz have fooled many people on TOL into believing that you promote life, while in reality, you promote a culture of death.

Thanks for stopping by.

 

[Rusha]

You and WizardofOz have fooled many people on TOL into believing that you promote life, while in reality, you promote a culture of death.

Thanks for stopping by.

I am not sorry for continuing to expose your posts that show you as being another who is willing to accept abortion under certain criteria. And ... you're welcome.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Trump clearly says he hates the concept of abortion and everything about it. That was 17 years ago and now he still hates it and will ban it if possible


Trump Train

So the birth of a son of a friend all of the sudden made Donald Trump pro life?

How about his own children (3 as I recall), were they not worthy of Donald taking a pro life stance back when they were born?

BTW, Donald Trump contributed to Jimmy Carter's presidential campaign.

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/donald-trump-jimmy-carter-1975/

Trump is a pathological liar.

 

[Saxon Hammer]

"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power."
http://www.lp.org/platform

I think this is a very old thread but as I have become interested in Libertarianism through another thread I thought I might see what happens next .......

The individual has free will that cannot be denied but this needs to be properly harnessed to a rational mind. Therefore some control is required during initial development (Children).

Forced sacrifice is wrong however compromise or improved understanding is acceptable to the rational mind provided the moral core (of the individual as required by society) is untarnished.

Force or compulsion of an individual by another is not moral unless the need for action becomes moral at which time some authority must be consulted.

So I cannot be a Libertarian - I need another authority to establish/support my moral code if I have a NEED to act.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I think this is a very old thread but as I have become interested in Libertarianism through another thread I thought I might see what happens next .......

For some reason I get the feeling that the topic isn't new to you (this is gonna be fun).

The individual has free will that cannot be denied but this needs to be properly harnessed to a rational mind. Therefore some control is required during initial development (Children).

"...some control is required during...childhood"? So after childhood, society should let each individual do their own "thing"? Sounds like a recipe for anarchy to me.

Forced sacrifice is wrong however compromise or improved understanding is acceptable to the rational mind provided the moral core (of the individual as required by society) is untarnished.

So based on the moral code of a society, each individual (as long as they have a "rational mind") should make some sort of sacrifice of their values. Let's say that someone's "values" involve something that Libertarians call a "victimless crimes", i.e. recreational drug use, pornography, homosexuality, etc.. Should sacrifices be made by the individual as long as there are no victims?

Force or compulsion of an individual by another is not moral unless the need for action becomes moral at which time some authority must be consulted.

"Some authority"? Be more specific.

So I cannot be a Libertarian - I need another authority to establish/support my moral code if I have a NEED to act.

"...a NEED to act" on what? More importantly, what is the basis of your own moral code and should government reflect that in laws?

 

[Saxon Hammer]

For some reason I get the feeling that the topic isn't new to you (this is gonna be fun).



"...some control is required during...childhood"? So after childhood, society should let each individual do their own "thing"? Sounds like a recipe for anarchy to me.



So based on the moral code of a society, each individual (as long as they have a "rational mind") should make some sort of sacrifice of their values. Let's say that someone's "values" involve something that Libertarians call a "victimless crimes", i.e. recreational drug use, pornography, homosexuality, etc.. Should sacrifices be made by the individual as long as there are no victims?



"Some authority"? Be more specific.



"...a NEED to act" on what? More importantly, what is the basis of your own moral code and should government reflect that in laws?

You only have opinions and you rush in with such demanding childishness I have had enough

 

[aCultureWarrior]

You only have opinions and you rush in with such demanding childishness I have had enough

Yet the vast majority of the sentences in my above post ended in question marks.

I see you have fans. Thanks for stopping by.