The Perversion of Libertarianism

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Did you ever ask this man how he ended up on the streets?

Have you asked?

The younger ones are usually runaways from dysfunctional families (alcohol and drug abuse, sexual abuse, you know, all of the great things that Libertarian/liberal "self ownership" brings).

Did you believe the person?

I hear the same story again and again. So yes, I believe what I see and hear.

IF you asked ... why did you ask?

It's hard to relate to someone that is living such a destitute life. On occasion I ask what happened, but more importantly I let them know that there is a better way.

Did you genuinely care and want to help?

If I didn't care I wouldn't be doing the kind of work that I do nor exposing godless liberalism/Libertarianism on a internet website.

Now tell us how great the Libertarian/liberal doctrine of "self ownership"/"consensual morality" has been for our society Sandy.

 

[Rusha]

The younger ones are usually runaways from dysfunctional families (alcohol and drug abuse, sexual abuse

So they are *running away* from abusive situations ... does it help to kick them while they are down ... or does that just give a certain type of individual momentary satisfaction?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
The younger ones are usually runaways from dysfunctional families (alcohol and drug abuse, sexual abuse, you know, all of the great things that Libertarian/liberal "self ownership" brings).

So they are *running away* from abusive situations ...

Yes, the lifestyles and behaviors that you liberals/Libertarians so ardently defend does have victims Sandy.

does it help to kick them while they are down ... or does that just give a certain type of individual momentary satisfaction?

Leave it to a secular humanist such as yourself to imply that someone who tells a down trodden person that "God has a better way for you" is "kicking them while they're down".

I've helped a great many people by sending them through the criminal justice system. Granted, it's not the type of "help" that your buddy anna gives them (a buck and some advil), but then I can sleep well at night knowing that I did my very best not to destroy the lives of my fellow human beings.

 

[Rusha]

So they are *running away* from abusive situations ...

Yes,.

Exactly.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

As a seasoned secular humanist Sandy, you can do much better than that. Tell us how you can vote for a baby murdering President while still being pro life.

I just love a good internet fairytale.

 

[Rusha]

As a seasoned secular humanist Sandy, you can do much better than that.

When responding to your misleadingposts and replies? No, I can't. Your intention is not to discuss or consider another person's POV but rather accuse and project.

 

[Rusha]

Tell us how you can vote for a baby murdering President while still being pro life..

lain: How much longer can your nose grow before you topple forward ....

You seem to be forgetting that you are the person who argued for the right of a young mother to abort her unborn baby because she was raped by "muzzies". I AM one of those who did not agree that the "rape exception" is valid.

On the flip side, you will never be able to find any post of mine on TOL where I have, unlike you, made exceptions for AOD.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

As a seasoned secular humanist Sandy, you can do much better than that.

When responding to your misleadingposts and replies? No, I can't. Your intention is not to discuss or consider another person's POV but rather accuse and project.

If you would like to attempt to defend godless Libertarianism, this is the thread to do it in.

Let's start with the OP and you can tell me where they're right and if any of their stances are wrong.

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...bertarianism&p=4643832&viewfull=1#post4643832

If not, have a wonderful Barack Hussein Obama/Hilary Clinton supporter day.

 

[Rusha]

As a seasoned secular humanist Sandy, you can do much better than that.

Fine ... since you seem intent of making unfounded accusations about others, feel free to defend your own statements which, btw, is the same type of arguments that pro-abortion advocates consistently utilize:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...egally-Abort&p=3548047&viewfull=1#post3548047

Before you go moving the goal posts any further Aaron, let's put a face behind your story.

SWEDEN: 20 Muslim invaders gang rape 11-year-old Swedish girl in public bathhouse

The things one sees on TOL: a pagan talking about morality with a Christian.

Yes, Aaron, if an 11 year of girl (who must be less than 5 feet tall and probably weighs less than a hundred pounds) is forced through law to carry a baby to term, which most likely would kll her, that would be an immoral act.

Angel4Truth addressed that in Lighthouse's rape thread.

Do you want to be responsible for that little girls death Aaron?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

lain: How much longer can your nose grow before you topple forward ....

You seem to be forgetting that you are the person who argued for the right of a young mother to abort her unborn baby because she was raped by "muzzies". I AM one of those who did not agree that the "rape exception" is valid. On the flip side, you will never be able to find any post of mine on TOL where I have, unlike you, made exceptions for AOD.

This is truly rich coming from someone who voted for a Presidential candidate and political party platform that has since 1973 promoted abortion on demand.

Regarding abortion in cases where the mother's life is in danger. In civilized societies there have always been laws to protect the life of the mother if her life is in danger. If you want to change those laws, I would suggest that you don't vote for Hilary Clinton this coming election.

 

[Rusha]

Fine ... since you seem intent of making unfounded accusations about others, feel free to defend your own statements which, btw, is the same type of arguments that pro-abortion advocates consistently utilize:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...egally-Abort&p=3548047&viewfull=1#post3548047

This is truly rich coming from someone who voted for

As predicted, you are unwilling to discuss the fact that under certain conditions, you are prochoice. You will find no posts showing that I would agree to any exceptions.

In other words, you refuse to address the FACT that your own words show you as someone who is prochoice depending on the circumstances of a pregnancy.

 

[WizardofOz]

http://theologyonline.com/tags.php?tag=aculturewarrior+exposed

 

[Ktoyou]

Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior


If you would like to attempt to defend godless Libertarianism, this is the thread to do it in.

It seems you do not know the difference between libertarianism and liberalism.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

As predicted, you are unwilling to discuss the fact that under certain conditions, you are prochoice. You will find no posts showing that I would agree to any exceptions.

In other words, you refuse to address the FACT that your own words show you as someone who is prochoice depending on the circumstances of a pregnancy.

First of all, the rape of an 11 year old girl in Sweden by 20 Muslim barbarians is factual.

We can discuss Sweden's laws when it comes to sexual sins (child pornography, thanks to the LGBTQ movement was legal in Sweden for over a decade) and the Libertarian stance on open borders and immigration another time.
http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration

In Libertarian in denial WizardofOz's scenario (who like you votes for candidates and a political party that is pro abortion) the 11 year old girl became pregnant.

Here is a real life scenario, you make the decision:

You walk into your 11 year old daughter's bedroom who has just found out that she's pregnant after being raped by 20 barbarians (it's highly unlikely that the little girl would ever be able to be impregnated after such savagery, but I'll stick to this scenario).

She's been despondent and is now suicidal because of the pregnancy. You take her to qualified psychologists who state that the child is going to kill herself if the pregnancy is allowed.

It's your choice Sandy: Dead daughter and dead grandchild or just a dead grandchild?

Again, every civilized nation does make exceptions for abortion in rare cases, this would be a rare case.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

It seems you do not know the difference between libertarianism and liberalism.

I do. When it comes to social policies, liberals are actually more conservative than Libertarians.

 

[Ktoyou]

I do. When it comes to social policies, liberals are actually more conservative than Libertarians.

Not all all, unless you mean classical liberals?

Here is what you need to do; read Frank S. Meyer, then follow is forward. When you know enough to make sense, we shall discuss it.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior

When it comes to social policies, liberals are actually more conservative than Libertarians.

Not all all, unless you mean classical liberals?

I think it would be hard for you to find liberal democrats who want all recreational drugs legalized.

Here is what you need to do; read Frank S. Meyer, then follow is forward. When you know enough to make sense, we shall discuss it.

I skimmed through the article. So Meyer was an associate of William F. Buckley Jr.? So what, Buckley wasn't a conservative.

In any event, make your case for Libertarianism.

 

[Ktoyou]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior

When it comes to social policies, liberals are actually more conservative than Libertarians.



I think it would be hard for you to find liberal democrats who want all recreational drugs legalized.



I skimmed through the article. So Meyer was an associate of William F. Buckley Jr.? So what, Buckley wasn't a conservative.

In any event, make your case for Libertarianism.

No no no. you have not read anything yet. Did you bother to look at traditional conservatism? No, you have not. You do not understand conservatism; all you know is the reaction is 1960s liberalism. Who is Richard M Weaver, George Santayana, and Orestes A Brownson ?

Compare and contrast, read their books. The net is not enough, the net does not go into the depth of conservatism.

who made this statement: "The individual is foolish, but the species is wise." ?

Where does this come from?
Belief that a divine intent rules society as well as conscience... Political problems, at bottom, are religious and moral problems.

Affection for the proliferating variety and mystery of traditional life, as distinguished from the narrowing uniformity and egalitarian and utilitarian aims of most radical systems.

Conviction that civilized society requires orders and classes...

Persuasion that property and freedom are inseparably connected, and that economic leveling is not economic progress...

Faith in prescription and distrust of "sophisters and calculators." Man must put a control upon his will and his appetite.... Tradition and sound prejudice provide checks upon man's anarchic impulse.

Recognition that change and reform are not identical..

 

[Rusha]

Here is a real life scenario, you make the decision:

You walk into your 11 year old daughter's bedroom who has just found out that she's pregnant after being raped by 20 barbarians (it's highly unlikely that the little girl would ever be able to be impregnated after such savagery, but I'll stick to this scenario).

She's been despondent and is now suicidal because of the pregnancy. You take her to qualified psychologists who state that the child is going to kill herself if the pregnancy is allowed.

It's your choice Sandy: Dead daughter and dead grandchild or just a dead grandchild?

Again, every civilized nation does make exceptions for abortion in rare cases, this would be a rare case.

By making those the only options, you are playing the same game and using similar excuses that pro-abortion advocates utilize.

Medical attention. Love. Support. You seem to conveniently leave those off of your list and ASSUME that death is the only option.

Which leads me to the question ... WHY do you claim to be prolife, ACW? Either the lives of unborn babies are valuable ... or they are not. Do you rate their value on whether or not they are wanted or how they are conceived?

Making exceptions for rape is doing just that. Regardless of whether or not you are willing to admit it, your position suggests that babies are punishment for women who become pregnant via consensual sex.

I refuse to label ANY unborn child as punishment or unworthy of life based on the circumstances of their conception.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

No no no. you have not read anything yet. Did you bother to look at traditional conservatism? No, you have not. You do not understand conservatism; all you know is the reaction is 1960s liberalism. Who is Richard M Weaver, George Santayana, and Orestes A Brownson ?

I'm a student of the Founding Fathers of our country whose conservatism came straight from The Holy Bible.

I've put the doctrine of Libertarianism in the OP on page 1 based on the Libertarian Party Platform.


PREAMBLE

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.
https://www.lp.org/platform


If you don't acknowledge that as true Libertarianism, then make your case.